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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Hillary Clinton on Korean "historical amnesia" Reply with quote

I know this has been discussed on one the forums here, but I think it bears bringing up again, with Hillary Clinton inching toward the White House.

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=93

I'm really quite fed up with the anti-Americanism in Korea. Now that I'm back in the states, I do what I can personally to let everyone I meet know about it and do my part to return the favor, reporting unfavorably on everything Korean.

I heard last week that in Korea the television news reporting on the beef that got sent to Korea mistakenly (was supposed to be for domestic US market but end up in Korea; had not been approved for export, therefore) and instead of reporting it as it was - - a stupid blunder on the USDA and American export officials - - it was reported as a case of American corruption; that the exporter had likely paid off some USDA official to get the export license; and that the heroic, pure, loyal Korean civil servant had saved the day by uncovering the collusion.

Then, I hear about the story of the Korean couple who drowned in their car in a flash flood incident in Texas. The AP report makes it clear that the Korean called 911, was incoherent, then hung up and called his family members. The 911 operator tried everything to get in touch with him and locate him. The Korean media reports that the operator simply hung up on the Korean man after she couldn't understand him.

I'm really tired of this kind of cr*p from the Koreans.

The thing is . . . 99% of Americans don't know a thing about Korea and so it's like some knat flying at the back of their heads; it goes completely unnoticed here. I wish someone like " BECK " (FOX News?) would do a show on something like "What they're saying about us" in which he would show the kind of cr*p the Koreans, among others, say about us in their media. (The "among others" I can think of is the Arab / Muslim countries. I would group Korea right in there with them.)

On a tangent: Like I said, 99% of Americans know next to nothing about Korea. They seem to know more about North Korea! Mention you lived and worked in Korea and you'll get . . "North Korea?" That's how much they know. They don't even know that no foreigners go live and work in North Korea ! Koreans really have a grander view of their importance in the world than the reality.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know exactly what you mean. It is just tragic that Korean media and government are promoting anti-Americanism and brain washing their citizens to hate everything about America.

As such, when I return to my home in Texas, I plan to let everyone know about it and encourage them to boycott everything made in Korea and buy Japanese.
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
I know exactly what you mean. It is just tragic that Korean media and government are promoting anti-Americanism and brain washing their citizens to hate everything about America.

As such, when I return to my home in Texas, I plan to let everyone know about it and encourage them to boycott everything made in Korea and buy Japanese.


I'm doing that already: telling people to not buy Korean. And I personally check to be sure something I'm buying wasn't made in Korea or by a Korean company in another country. Frick 'em.

I've traveled the world and lived with many different cultures. The Koreans are the only Asians I ended up feeling this way about.

You know, I went from pro-Korean - - before going over to Korea - - to anti-Korean - - within a year of being in Korea. I've traveled the world and lived in many countries. Korea is the only one that left me with this kind of bad taste. I've heard similar stories from others: once you get to know Koreans, you end up seeing them for what they are.

A Thai couple told me how they fell in love with Korea from watching Korean dramas, which are popular in Thailand. They took a trip to Seoul and came back hating Korea and Koreans and telling everyone about it. They were harrassed in immigration, treated the way Koreans treat other Asians from countries they consider lower than their own, cheated by their hotel, left on a road by a taxi driver who decided to drop them and pick up someone else, among other complaints.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anti-Americanism will come back and bite Korea in the @ss. Hopefully for Korea, they will realize this and stand up to it before it is too late. America has been the best friend Korea has ever had and to throw that all away in order to suck up to North Korea is foolish. The pathetic Korean government and crappy media are to blame and the average Korean is suffering for it. Sad
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Americans criticise other countries of 'historical amnesia', the words kettle, pot, calling and black come to mind very quickly.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlieDD wrote:

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I've traveled the world and lived with many different cultures. The Koreans are the only Asians I ended up feeling this way about.

You know, I went from pro-Korean - - before going over to Korea - - to anti-Korean - - within a year of being in Korea. I've traveled the world and lived in many countries. Korea is the only one that left me with this kind of bad taste. I've heard similar stories from others: once you get to know Koreans, you end up seeing them for what they are.


My sentiments precisely, and the same occurred to me. It also happened to two friends, frequent travelers in Asia. Doesn't speak well of this place, does it?

Personally, I feel we should pull all our troops out of this country and let them fend for themselves. Either that, or charge them the entire bill for keeping 38,000 active duty soldiers near the DMZ.

Enough is enough.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do the same. I tell Americans who ask that the vast majority of Koreans hate individual Americans with every fiber of their being. I tell them about the "fu%king USA song", the pro-9/11 dances, the brainwashed kids saying "osama bery good" and the "Americans not welcome signs". I tell them about the Hummer accident and the circus following that. About how American soldiers have been abducted and then charged for being abducted. I tell them how the Korean media portrays Americans specifically (and non-Koreans generally) with fully zero respect (unless that American has "Korean blood" in which case they use racist claim that "X" is good at "y" because of the purity of Korean blood ... HOW RACIST!!!).

I also personally refuse to buy Korean products. And it sucks, cause i really want to buy the Samsung i600. I guess a Palm Treo will have to do instead.

Someone described the FTA as "foreign aid". It is. I never thought of it in that way, but it is. The USA uses trade to keep friends friends. The Korean economy is deeply threatened by China.

I see lots of potential in their culture, but the hate/racism/sexism/dishonestly/lies are just too much.

If they don't wake up and refocus their attention away from being perpetual victims, she will return to her historical position as the Ugly Appendage between Asian economic powerhouses China and Japan.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, interesting posts.

Explain it to me very slowly and carefully, 'cause I'm kind of dumb, but why is it so many Koreans dislike America and (apparently) everybody else?
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to break it to you Americans, but most of the world feels the same way Koreans do about America. Koreans are a bit more vocal, but go and do a survey of the general population, in any country, about their attitudes about the USA and most of the world will have pretty negative attitudes about America.

Bush is the biggest reason why, it could have gone the other way after 9/11, but invading Iraq was probably the biggest factor in anti-American attitudes throughout the world.
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charlieDD



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Yeah, interesting posts.

Explain it to me very slowly and carefully, 'cause I'm kind of dumb, but why is it so many Koreans dislike America and (apparently) everybody else?


I think it's because deep down, (and maybe not that deep at all, actually) they hate themselves and their lives. They've sold out their uniqueness, their culture and all they have left is the endless pursuit of more money in a cut-throat system of never-ending commercialism.

When Koreans love themselves, they'll start loving others.

That is the big difference between Koreans and Japanese; between Koreans and most other Asians.

Oh, and toss in a good measure of good old fashioned envy, made worse when their reality simply doesn't live up to the grand superiority of their culture they are taught. (You know, sounds a lot like the Arab / Muslim dynamics.)



I M H O


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charlieDD



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Hate to break it to you Americans, but most of the world feels the same way Koreans do about America. Koreans are a bit more vocal, but go and do a survey of the general population, in any country, about their attitudes about the USA and most of the world will have pretty negative attitudes about America.

Bush is the biggest reason why, it could have gone the other way after 9/11, but invading Iraq was probably the biggest factor in anti-American attitudes throughout the world.


Too simplistic an explanation.

The rest of the world may have low opinions of American foreign policy these days. They are entitled to have such. But few places in the rest of the world seethe with hatred that leads them to falsify reports on aspects of everyday life events, like the report on the Korean couple who drowned in Texas (about which the Korean media reported that the American 911 operator simply hung up on them because they were Korean, while the truth is the operator tried every way possible to contact and find them).

In Korea, the hatred is deep, broad and general. It permeates so much of their media, their expressed perceptions, about everything American, not just the foreign policy.

Envy and self-loathing combined is what I think is at the root of it.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
When Americans criticise other countries of 'historical amnesia', the words kettle, pot, calling and black come to mind very quickly.



really what do you have in mind?
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:

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Bush is the biggest reason why, it could have gone the other way after 9/11, but invading Iraq was probably the biggest factor in anti-American attitudes throughout the world.


Korean anti-Americanism predates the Bush Administration. If you're going to go Bush-bashing, at least be historically accurate about it.

The Koreans are insecure, masking it over with false bravado. They have most of the negative habits and attitudes of the Japanese with few of the latter's saving graces.

Of course, you can't say this publicly.

And to hear Arirang, all foreigners who visit or live in Korea are just enthralled with the place. Such fanfare is nothing more than propoganda. All state-owned media outlets try to put the best face on things but Arirang takes it to a new level.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philippines is similar in their basic assumption that every foreigner must be American.

it gets tiring here though because you just know all the anti-vibeyou get is because they have already assumed you are American. I feel like beginning every conversation or interraction with "I'm not American".

Don't these people know the world is actually made up of 200+ nations, not just 2??
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Sleepy in Seoul



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Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
When Americans criticise other countries of 'historical amnesia', the words kettle, pot, calling and black come to mind very quickly.

really what do you have in mind?


Well, for a start the vitriol that poured out of the American media and some of the politicians about the French after the 11/9 attack. A fine thanks for French assistance during the American War of Independence.
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