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How often do you give to subway beggars? |
As often as I can, though I should give more. |
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19% |
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Sometimes, like when I feel charitable. |
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18% |
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Rarely. I'm bad. |
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14% |
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Never! Many of them are frauds. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: Blind subway beggars of Korea |
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On Sunday, I was taking the subway home from Itaewon back to Suwon when I noticed something odd. There was a blind person slowly ambling from car to car. WAIT! Before someone pounces on me, this blind guy was different from the other blind guys. I have been here about 4 years now and depending on how 'unlazy' I feel, I sometimes reach into my pocket to give a little, and sometimes I am just too lazy to fumble around my pockets for a spare cheonwon note so I don't bother (sorry!). But on Sunday there was a blind man who like other blind beggars was making his rounds car-to-car on the subways with the usual white cane, plastic money bowl and a radio suspended around his neck playing typical boo-hoo-hoo hymns. So that day I wasn't feeling so lazy to reach into my pocket and I grab a cheonwon note, fold it out and I like a feather and very silently ninja-like I drop it into his bowl. Well when I dropped it in his squinting eyes made direct eye contact with mine (eye-to-eye! Perhaps just partially blind?) and he hastily reached into his bowl to retrieve the bill and pocket it immediately. I made absolutely no sound, no noise, and I fumbled for it the instant I heard the music when he was still far away so there is no way he could have heard me, especially amid the sounds of his radio blaring. I got off the subway feeling that something was not right.
Anyways, I am certain there are plenty of frauds out there, where the fraud might be worse than a homeless guy who drinks his earnings. But what I'd like to know is if anyone has personally experienced anything outright f-ed up, for example the guy with tire-tubes for legs getting up one day after a hard day's work of rolling himself around and skipping home, or the guy in the wheelchair rolling over to his 5-speed sports car and putting his wheelchair in the trunk before speeding off. |
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faster

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I know there is a lot of fraud, but I give to them often.
I don't do it for them, though; I do it for myself. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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faster wrote: |
I know there is a lot of fraud, but I give to them often.
I don't do it for them, though; I do it for myself. |
I am in agreeance. My mother told me long, long ago not to cast doubts over the fate of the money you give, but to have a fuzzy good feeling about the action of giving.
But I myself still feel bothered by it sometimes as the actions of a few con men might spoil it for those who are truly in need. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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There was this one woman who used to beg on the gren line. I swear, 80% of her body must of been burned.
Con or not, she deserves every won. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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I used to give until I saw them working as a "gang" on one subway platform with their "handler" helping direct which trains they boarded, and the ones getting off giving him the money.
If I was sure they were getting the money, I would probably continue giving, but I would probably be just lining the pockets of their handler, and I don't find that cool. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
I used to give until I saw them working as a "gang" on one subway platform with their "handler" helping direct which trains they boarded, and the ones getting off giving him the money.
If I was sure they were getting the money, I would probably continue giving, but I would probably be just lining the pockets of their handler, and I don't find that cool. |
So begging in Korea is a type of racket? In much the same way prostitutes could only work on certain streets that are "owned" by certain pimps? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I generally don't give anything to anyone who asks of me, and take nothing from anyone who offers. No real reason.
I hate getting hassled by people for money, too, especially when I'm a foreigner. We're such easy targets for scams, I just give everyone the f-ck off look and maybe a curt word.
This one lady came up to me on the brown line (Itaewon's line -- primed with foreigners to be duped) and, with clear, unbroken English, explained to me that she is handicapped and needs money. She seemed fine to me, so I asked her what was wrong. "Ah.. mental problem." Yeah, okay lady, welcome to the club. I asked her in Korean, a little loudly so Koreans around could hear, why she was bugging me for money but not any Koreans. Suddenly she got up and stood by the door. Later, I saw her bugging a white girl, and I walked by her asking the same question as before. Awhile after that I passed by the Subway in Itaewon and saw her laughing it up in there with some ajoshi.
Definitely a scam on unwitting foreigners. |
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jay-shi

Joined: 09 May 2004 Location: On tour
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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merkurix wrote: |
So begging in Korea is a type of racket? In much the same way prostitutes could only work on certain streets that are "owned" by certain pimps? |
Could very well be in many cases. I know it is in Paris. Gangs bring in amputees from eastern European countries. They drive them to their location in the morning in a van and pick them up at night.
I doubt the beggars are pocketing most of their earnings at the end of the day. It's pretty sad. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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jay-shi wrote: |
merkurix wrote: |
So begging in Korea is a type of racket? In much the same way prostitutes could only work on certain streets that are "owned" by certain pimps? |
Could very well be in many cases. I know it is in Paris. Gangs bring in amputees from eastern European countries. They drive them to their location in the morning in a van and pick them up at night.
I doubt the beggars are pocketing most of their earnings at the end of the day. It's pretty sad. |
Damn, so it is indeed some type of organized gang racket, like prostitution, where the beggars might be permanently indentured to their masters. Crap, that sucks.
EDITED: I did a little research and found some shocking info to corroborate Jay-shi's observations:
http://www.oscebih.org/public/default.asp?d=6&article=show&id=2013
http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/11/stories/2006021121020300.htm
This seems to be a major problem all over the world and forced begging is one the major reasons for human trafficking. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Blind subway beggars of Korea |
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merkurix wrote: |
On Sunday, I was taking the subway home from Itaewon back to Suwon when I noticed something odd. There was a blind person slowly ambling from car to car. WAIT! Before someone pounces on me, this blind guy was different from the other blind guys. I have been here about 4 years now and depending on how 'unlazy' I feel, I sometimes reach into my pocket to give a little, and sometimes I am just too lazy to fumble around my pockets for a spare cheonwon note so I don't bother (sorry!). But on Sunday there was a blind man who like other blind beggars was making his rounds car-to-car on the subways with the usual white cane, plastic money bowl and a radio suspended around his neck playing typical boo-hoo-hoo hymns. So that day I wasn't feeling so lazy to reach into my pocket and I grab a cheonwon note, fold it out and I like a feather and very silently ninja-like I drop it into his bowl. Well when I dropped it in his squinting eyes made direct eye contact with mine (eye-to-eye! Perhaps just partially blind?) and he hastily reached into his bowl to retrieve the bill and pocket it immediately. I made absolutely no sound, no noise, and I fumbled for it the instant I heard the music when he was still far away so there is no way he could have heard me, especially amid the sounds of his radio blaring. I got off the subway feeling that something was not right.
Anyways, I am certain there are plenty of frauds out there, where the fraud might be worse than a homeless guy who drinks his earnings. But what I'd like to know is if anyone has personally experienced anything outright f-ed up, for example the guy with tire-tubes for legs getting up one day after a hard day's work of rolling himself around and skipping home, or the guy in the wheelchair rolling over to his 5-speed sports car and putting his wheelchair in the trunk before speeding off. |
You got played. For a little or alot is inconsequential. You got played.
I don't like that shit. Do you? Warm, fuzzy feeling my azz.
Give me my money back, you pathetic crook. You want my money? Be a man, get a weapon, and try to take it from me.
I would have given him a kick in the azz on his way to the next car. I do stuff like that after 4 years in Korea. It works. Try it. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Blind subway beggars of Korea |
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caniff wrote: |
merkurix wrote: |
On Sunday, I was taking the subway home from Itaewon back to Suwon when I noticed something odd. There was a blind person slowly ambling from car to car. WAIT! Before someone pounces on me, this blind guy was different from the other blind guys. I have been here about 4 years now and depending on how 'unlazy' I feel, I sometimes reach into my pocket to give a little, and sometimes I am just too lazy to fumble around my pockets for a spare cheonwon note so I don't bother (sorry!). But on Sunday there was a blind man who like other blind beggars was making his rounds car-to-car on the subways with the usual white cane, plastic money bowl and a radio suspended around his neck playing typical boo-hoo-hoo hymns. So that day I wasn't feeling so lazy to reach into my pocket and I grab a cheonwon note, fold it out and I like a feather and very silently ninja-like I drop it into his bowl. Well when I dropped it in his squinting eyes made direct eye contact with mine (eye-to-eye! Perhaps just partially blind?) and he hastily reached into his bowl to retrieve the bill and pocket it immediately. I made absolutely no sound, no noise, and I fumbled for it the instant I heard the music when he was still far away so there is no way he could have heard me, especially amid the sounds of his radio blaring. I got off the subway feeling that something was not right.
Anyways, I am certain there are plenty of frauds out there, where the fraud might be worse than a homeless guy who drinks his earnings. But what I'd like to know is if anyone has personally experienced anything outright f-ed up, for example the guy with tire-tubes for legs getting up one day after a hard day's work of rolling himself around and skipping home, or the guy in the wheelchair rolling over to his 5-speed sports car and putting his wheelchair in the trunk before speeding off. |
You got played. For a little or alot is inconsequential. You got played.
I don't like that *beep*. Do you? Warm, fuzzy feeling my azz.
Give me my money back, you pathetic crook. You want my money? Be a man, get a weapon, and try to take it from me.
I would have given him a kick in the azz on his way to the next car. I do stuff like that after 4 years in Korea. It works. Try it. |
LOL, I don't think I am going to give him a kick in the pants just yet; I will give myself another year of experience on the peninsula first.
But what I should probably try is maybe feign punching him in face. If he doesn't flinch then he gets my money. But if he flinches anything, then I will call him on his farce, maybe call him a '사기꾼' in front of everybody and chase him?
However, if it turns out he is truly blind, I won't be able to help but feel absolutely sh*tty for testing him on his handicap. |
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kingtout
Joined: 03 May 2007 Location: ROK...again...
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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faster wrote: |
I know there is a lot of fraud, but I give to them often.
I don't do it for them, though; I do it for myself. |
You are absolutely evil. All you are doing is feeding their Soju addiction. You're no better than a crack dealer. |
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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kingtout wrote: |
faster wrote: |
I know there is a lot of fraud, but I give to them often.
I don't do it for them, though; I do it for myself. |
You are absolutely evil. All you are doing is feeding their Soju addiction. You're no better than a crack dealer. |
I agree 100%. I see many of them huffying and puffying on ciggys too.
Sometimes they have the balls to beg for coins while smoking a ciggy so I usually ask them for a ciggy but they never offer me one.  |
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faster

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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ChuckECheese wrote: |
kingtout wrote: |
faster wrote: |
I know there is a lot of fraud, but I give to them often.
I don't do it for them, though; I do it for myself. |
You are absolutely evil. All you are doing is feeding their Soju addiction. You're no better than a crack dealer. |
I agree 100%. I see many of them huffying and puffying on ciggys too.
Sometimes they have the balls to beg for coins while smoking a ciggy so I usually ask them for a ciggy but they never offer me one.  |
Meh, I smoke and drink too. It's fun. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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I heard that the Korean mafia is involved. Lets say you owe the mafia money. You don't pay so they cut off your legs or make you blind and they make you beg for money on the subway to repay your debt. |
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