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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Atheism is not much ado about nothing. I don't believe in god, I'm an atheist, big deal, no fuss about it. |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| In the Vedic world view, the material universes, hovering like a distant dark cloud in the spiritual sky, serve the function of being like a gigantic prison for the perfectly harmonious spriritual world. |
Material universes being like prisons is at best a very misleading statement. I would call it simply incorrect. Prisons are constructed by thoughts. Lack of knowledge may lead to a prison, but the ignorance is necessary for learning through experiencing. In any case, matter is neutral and can exist in many dimensions. The division of spirit and matter is arbitrary and misleading because it leads to the idea that there is this world of matter perceptible by physical senses and another one of "pure" spirit (non-matter). Incorrect. All phenomena are perceptible at any level, and all phenomena can be said to be material, or energetic, or spiritual--these are just ways of looking and speaking. That which enables perception may be without form or qualities, but how can we know? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| If God does not exist atheism is much ado about nothing. If he does exist atheism is wrong. Either way it is useless. |
I could say the same about religion. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it's unrelated, and I've been mainly responding to challenging (and usually insulting) posts made by avowed atheists making their own propaganda...
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This was a thread about atheism. If you want to start a thread about cults, go ahead.
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I also don't think that it's "spamming" (although I regularly eat vegetarian spam made by some Korean company ...)
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Does anyone else here think it's not spamming?
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(And at least I'm not a "RACETRAITOR" with apparently nothing better to do than to suppress a valid point of view that harms no one ...  ) |
If you're in Korea you've probably already betrayed the white race as much as I have. All that weirdass eastern religious stuff you picked up is also an insult to Wotan. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| If God does not exist atheism is much ado about nothing. If he does exist atheism is wrong. Either way it is useless. |
Nice variation on Pascal's Wager. You'd better hedge your bets and follow all religions exclusively. Or are they also useless? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think it's unrelated, and I've been mainly responding to challenging (and usually insulting) posts made by avowed atheists making their own propaganda... |
In a thread on atheism how could such a thing happen
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| I also don't think that it's "spamming" (although I regularly eat vegetarian spam made by some Korean company ...) |
Well I'm sure it stays down longer than the tripe you keep feeding us.
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I've been independent of any organization for many years (though I still sincerely believe the essential teachings that I studied when I did belong to one...)
(And at least I'm not a "RACETRAITOR" with apparently nothing better to do than to suppress a valid point of view that harms no one ... ) |
How were you suppressed by Racetraitor or any one else? You say crap about atheists we say crap about you. Stop feeding of your persecution complex that's for the Xians to do. Your 'valid point of view' is nothing more than cultish semantics that avoids any serious questioning. You spout this crap today and you'll spout it tomorrow, because no one is suppressing you! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I never heard of Wotan, so I had to look it up...
OK, this is an example of a dangerous cult, I think:
Wotan, in Norse Mythology was a warrior sovereign, and is often seen as the primary god. The Nazis used the archetype of Wotan because of his "Warrior-King" traits, but many of even the top ranking officials believed in the Mythological character as more than merely Archetype. Josef Goebbels, in his conference notes once made the remark regarding what was to be let known about the Nazi agenda for the post-war period, said, "We will of course not let them know about Wotan. (Woden)". More remarkably, Wotan, or Odin, was rumored to have hung himself on a tree to obtain knowledge which was granted him, and gave his victory in doing so gave him the ability to travel freely in the nether-worlds (like hell) or in the heavens. The Nazis at the highest level intended after Europe was in their control, to assimilate the Church, and re-interpret such central doctrines as Christ's crucifixtion and victory over death, with the keys to Heaven and Hell in terms of old Norse Legend, or as it was referred to as 'volkish mysticism'. Wotan or Odin is also said to have learned runes in this way, which fascinated the Nazis...
http://www.shoaheducation.com/thor.html#wotan
From the same site, I learned that Thor was the son of Wotan:
Thor was the god of thunder, the son of Wotan, or Odin. A warrior god also, he was known for his magic hammer which would destroy what it was thrown at, and return to Thor's hand. He rode around middle earth in a goat-drawn carriage. "His abode was Thruthheim [Land of Strength] "2. The strength and war nature of both Thor and Odin (Wotan) were essential themes in Nazi theology. Not only were these Gods Aryan, but they were filled with Magic and Power: many of the top leaders in Hitler's Inner Circle such as Himmler, Goebbels and Hitler himself began to envision themselves as god-like, taking on the characteristics of the Norse gods and Great German historical leaders such as Heinrich I, who had become in German legend of a sort of "king Arthur" stature. Grandiose plans and egos sought after black arts and occultism and ancient volkish rights in order to accomplish the world domination these men held as forefront...
I think this is an example of people envious of God and demigods... While it is possible to qualify oneself to become a demigod up to the level of Brahma or Thor (who I think is known as Indra in Vedic culture...) it's not possible for anyone to become the one supreme God, who existed before any material creation ... |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| I wonder if in the future people will argue over the existence of Superman and Spider-Man. If there will be Marvel DC wars. Of course the one supreme being would have to be Stan Lee. Good people when they die can go to Dr Xavier's School for Gifted Children whilst bad people can go to Gotham City. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I never heard of Wotan, so I had to look it up...
OK, this is an example of a dangerous cult, I think:
Wotan, in Norse Mythology was a warrior sovereign, and is often seen as the primary god. The Nazis used the archetype of Wotan because of his "Warrior-King" traits, but many of even the top ranking officials believed in the Mythological character as more than merely Archetype. Josef Goebbels, in his conference notes once made the remark regarding what was to be let known about the Nazi agenda for the post-war period, said, "We will of course not let them know about Wotan. (Woden)". More remarkably, Wotan, or Odin, was rumored to have hung himself on a tree to obtain knowledge which was granted him, and gave his victory in doing so gave him the ability to travel freely in the nether-worlds (like hell) or in the heavens. The Nazis at the highest level intended after Europe was in their control, to assimilate the Church, and re-interpret such central doctrines as Christ's crucifixtion and victory over death, with the keys to Heaven and Hell in terms of old Norse Legend, or as it was referred to as 'volkish mysticism'. Wotan or Odin is also said to have learned runes in this way, which fascinated the Nazis...
http://www.shoaheducation.com/thor.html#wotan
From the same site, I learned that Thor was the son of Wotan:
Thor was the god of thunder, the son of Wotan, or Odin. A warrior god also, he was known for his magic hammer which would destroy what it was thrown at, and return to Thor's hand. He rode around middle earth in a goat-drawn carriage. "His abode was Thruthheim [Land of Strength] "2. The strength and war nature of both Thor and Odin (Wotan) were essential themes in Nazi theology. Not only were these Gods Aryan, but they were filled with Magic and Power: many of the top leaders in Hitler's Inner Circle such as Himmler, Goebbels and Hitler himself began to envision themselves as god-like, taking on the characteristics of the Norse gods and Great German historical leaders such as Heinrich I, who had become in German legend of a sort of "king Arthur" stature. Grandiose plans and egos sought after black arts and occultism and ancient volkish rights in order to accomplish the world domination these men held as forefront...
I think this is an example of people envious of God and demigods... While it is possible to qualify oneself to become a demigod up to the level of Brahma or Thor (who I think is known as Indra in Vedic culture...) it's not possible for anyone to become the one supreme God, who existed before any material creation ... |
God damn, study a bit about Wotanism and you'll be the exact opposite of a race traitor. Incidentally you didn't touch on the modern roots of Wotanism at all. It was started by David Lane who I made a thread about a couple weeks ago, as a white supremacist religion. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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One would necessarily have to at least theoretically accept the possibility that Krishna is God in order to accept that what He spoke in Bhagavad-gita is perfect transcendental knowledge.
In order to insure that one is receiving the original message of Krishna, it's necessary to hear it from a spiritual master (guru) linked to an authorized disciplic succession coming from Krishna.
Such a spiritual master will only present what Krishna originally spoke as revealed scripture (sastra) and whatever he speaks will be in agreement with what previous saintly persons (sadhus) have spoken...
So the Vedic system of checks-and-balences is referred to as guru-sadhu-sastra, It's elaborately described here:http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/gss/gss.htm
As to how this "perfect knowledge" is being implemented to make this a better world, I think that it has positively affected many millions of people who have gotten books published by the Bhaktivedanta Bood Trust (BBT) and have practiced the spiritual techniques recommended for this age.
Hundreds of millions of plates of "prasadam" (vegetarian food prepared as a devotional offering to Krishna) have been distributed by devotees worldwide through Hare Krishna Food for Life and Iskcon Food Relief...
Moreover, many people - as well as animals and the environment - have indirectly benefited from the promotion of vegetarianism...
Although the Vedic scriptures predict that there will be a "Golden Age" of peace and spiritual realization occuring over the next 10,000 years, devotees are generally thought to be materially pessimistic and spiritually optimistic.
The material world is mainly considered to be a place of suffering (regardless of material adjustments that can be made) and we should focus more energy on transfering our consciousness back to the eternally blissful existence available to us in the spiritual universes...
http://guru.krishna.org/Articles/2002/10/008.html |
On second thought, garbage like this gives Christians a unique chance to see what it's like for us atheists when they spew their theological quotes. |
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