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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The guy who pulled the trigger is the one who has moral culpability. I don't believe the sins of the father should be delivered upon the sons and daughters. Likewise, I don't think the sins of the sons should be delivered on the sisters, brothers, father, mother aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Before you fire back, I admit I don't have any REASON for thinking so, it just feels right. Blame goes to the person who did the deed.


Tell that to all the Japan haters in Korea please.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Tell that to all the Japan haters in Korea please.

I guess I could tell them ... wanna draw line me for me that'll connect Japan and some confused young Korean student in America? Might help a bit. You know, when I go an tell them.

Rolling Eyes
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess I could tell them ... wanna draw line me for me that'll connect Japan and some confused young Korean student in America? Might help a bit. You know, when I go an tell them.


Here's your Rolling Eyes back at you. My statement was basically agreeing with you. It was wistful thinking on my part, that you would understand the complexities of the English language I guess.
I wasn't asking you to tell anyone. It was more of a wistful musing that the same standard would apply. Should the current generation be responsible for the sins of their fathers?
If you can't see the simularity you are either blind, ignorant or both.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy cow, wistful Batman, arent you one of the people calling the parents all kinds of crap in this thread? If you are so adamant about generations not being blamed for the actions of other generations then maybe you should look at your behavior in this thread. Im wistfully wondering why you dont take a jump out of a tall building while set ablaze. Aim for something sharp below.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to your old self, eh Jinjackass? I was beginning to gain some respect for you the way you stood up to Free of thought on that other thread. Funny and actually right for a change. Wink

Stop drinking the haterade. You'll feel better.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
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I guess I could tell them ... wanna draw line me for me that'll connect Japan and some confused young Korean student in America? Might help a bit. You know, when I go an tell them.

Here's your Rolling Eyes back at you. My statement was basically agreeing with you. It was wistful thinking on my part, that you would understand the complexities of the English language I guess.
I wasn't asking you to tell anyone. It was more of a wistful musing that the same standard would apply. Should the current generation be responsible for the sins of their fathers?
If you can't see the simularity you are either blind, ignorant or both.

Um, or maybe your communication skills are lacking ... when I go talk to them, these "Japan-haters" you mention, WHAT am I supposed to say that's any connection between a young Korean man named Cho in America and, well, you know, anything at all to do with Japan?

Is there something on your mind? Share it with us.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Sigh* Bobster, have you ever heard of the expression, "tell it to the judge"? Do you think it implies that I actually want that person to talk to a judge? It is not meant to be taken literally. So when I said, "Tell that to all the Japan Haters in Korea" it was along those lines.

The connection which you obvious can't see is that you referred to people not being responsible for the "sins of their fathers". You implied that people are not responsible for the actions of their ancestors or their relatives. You argued that Cho's family is not responsible. That's fine if you believe that.
All I was saying was then the same standard should apply to the hatred of the Japanese in Korea for past actions. In essence, why hate someone that wasn't even born when the actions took place. In effect the sins were commited by their fathers or grandfathers. I wasn't speaking to you directly as much as to other people on this board that sometimes post on this subject. Perhaps you were confused because of that.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
All I was saying was then the same standard should apply to the hatred of the Japanese in Korea for past actions. In essence, why hate someone that wasn't even born when the actions took place. In effect the sins were commited by their fathers or grandfathers.

Ah, now I get it. It really never had anything to with a young fella in N America who picked up a gun. Glad you cleared that up. Damn, and I thought that's what this thread topic was all about. Silly me.

The topic is about a young man whose family name was Cho. Wanna talk about it? I'm here.

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Perhaps you were confused because of that.

Um, I think I was confused because you weren't making a lick of sense. Keep trying, though. It might work for you, eventually.


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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course the Boobster has never gone off topic about anything. Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour you know.

They are related in that you said you can't judge the family by the "sins of the fathers" so to speak. It is popular to judge, criticize and bash Japanese people by the "sins of their fathers" on this board. So now I will ask you. Is it appropriate to judge the Japanese people of today for the "sins of their fathers"? Feel free to answer instead of providing more sarcasm please. Thanks. Smile
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Of course I am sure you know that his sister went to an Elite American school (Harvard I believe) where the tutition was around 50,000/year. Virginia Tech isn't cheap either. Based on their level of income as drycleaners I'd find that a bit suprising. Perhaps they don't want people prying into their affairs for that reason.

Yeah,and maybe YOU are a just a big ol' Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle ... I mean, dude, you have any idea the comedy value you provide around here? Sheesh. Get a clue.

Laughing

The truth, knowing as we do the enormous commitment Korean parents put on education, anything else but this is what would be surprising. Plenty of stuff I've read about Cho suggested that a big part of what was going on inside him some twisted shame that his sister got into the Ivy League and he did not.

Like I said. Clues. Get some. They are not hard to find, it you look around a little.

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They are related in that you said you can't judge the family by the "sins of the fathers" so to speak. It is popular to judge, criticize and bash Japanese people by the "sins of their fathers" on this board. So now I will ask you. Is it appropriate to judge the Japanese people of today for the "sins of their fathers"? Feel free to answer instead of providing more sarcasm please. Thanks.

Um, to be polite, something tells me you have your head so far up a particular place you can make a detailed inspection of you lower intestine ...

Family issues undoubtedly played a part in what made this boy snap. But if you are IN the family, you have no obligation to take those issues out and show them to every damn person in the universe. The opposite is obviously true, in fact - if you are IN the family, your number one priority is to protect the family from further harm. Period. And you would do no less for your family, not if they are people you love and care for.

Clues. Get some. If you run out, ask somebody ... you'll be glad you did.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been a while since I posted here. I think a subpoena should be issued we are talking about the death of many innocent people in Virginia. Discussing mental health and the need for proper intervention is important. The family may have feelings and are worried about their reputation, but we have no indication that when he was very young that they did anything to get him treated. I don't want to judge the family, but if they did what they were supposed to then they shouldn't have anything to hide. Let's go to the courts and deal with this. I understand the family is having a tough time, but what about those people who lost their children?
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If, in the possible case that Cho's parents beat the crap out of him on a daily basis, demeaned him, etc, would they not be partially responsible for the Virginia massacre? It's easy to place blame on 1 man, and directly, it was 100% him. Indirectly, we might never know.

Bobster, I thought you were better than this. Since when do you resort to mud-slinging?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe to help Cho relieve some stress his mother....

I've heard repeatedly that this is a fairly normal behaviour in the land of kimchi.
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Harpeau



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
It's been a while since I posted here. I think a subpoena should be issued we are talking about the death of many innocent people in Virginia. Discussing mental health and the need for proper intervention is important. The family may have feelings and are worried about their reputation, but we have no indication that when he was very young that they did anything to get him treated....


So, can the courts and shrinks investigate this and "learn" from it without the media making it into a bloody circus? I do think that confidentiality is most important here. It can be done quietly and without much hubbub. His parents are not on trial here. Remember, they're innocent until proven guilty.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Booster, stop trying to push your leftish arrogant bullsh*t liberal attitudes on everyone. When you do grow up you will learn that there are people that disagree with you. Cut out the histrionics.

Here's the family apology:

Cho Family: �Heartbroken� and �Humbled by this Darkness�

CrimeRant-LetterWk1.gif[CR Note: The family of Virginia Tech murderer Seung Hui Cho issued a statement today. It was written by Cho�s sister, Sun Kyung Cho, on the family�s behalf. Truly hearbreaking, all the way around.]

On behalf of our family, we are so deeply sorry for the devastation my brother has caused. No words can express our sadness that 32 innocent people lost their lives this week in such a terrible, senseless tragedy.

We are heartbroken.

We grieve alongside the families, the Virginia Tech community, our State of Virginia, and the rest of the nation. And, the world.

Every day since April 16, my father, mother and I pray for students Ross Abdallah Alameddine, Brian Roy Bluhm, Ryan Christopher Clark, Austin Michelle Cloyd, Matthew Gregory Gwaltney, Caitlin Millar Hammaren, Jeremy Michael Herbstritt, Rachael Elizabeth Hill, Emily Jane Hilscher, Jarrett Lee Lane, Matthew Joseph La Porte, Henry J. Lee, Partahi Mamora Halomoan Lumbantoruan, Lauren Ashley McCain, Daniel Patrick O�Neil, J. Ortiz-Ortiz, Minal Hiralal Panchal, Daniel Alejandro Perez, Erin Nicole Peterson, Michael Steven Pohle Jr., Julia Kathleen Pryde, Mary Karen Read, Reema Joseph Samaha, Waleed Mohamed Shaalan, Leslie Geraldine Sherman, Maxine Shelly Turner, Nicole White, Instructor Christopher James Bishop, and Professors Jocelyne Couture-Nowak, Kevin P. Granata, Liviu Librescu and G.V. Loganathan.

We pray for their families and loved ones who are experiencing so much excruciating grief. And we pray for those who were injured and for those whose lives are changed forever because of what they witnessed and experienced.

Each of these people had so much love, talent and gifts to offer, and their lives were cut short by a horrible and senseless act.

We are humbled by this darkness. We feel hopeless, helpless and lost. This is someone that I grew up with and loved. Now I feel like I didn�t know this person.

We have always been a close, peaceful and loving family. My brother was quiet and reserved, yet struggled to fit in. We never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence.

He has made the world weep. We are living a nightmare.

There is much justified anger and disbelief at what my brother did, and a lot of questions are left unanswered. Our family will continue to cooperate fully and do whatever we can to help authorities understand why these senseless acts happened. We have many unanswered questions as well.

Our family is so very sorry for my brother�s unspeakable actions. It is a terrible tragedy for all of us.

http://www.crimerant.com/?p=754

They said they would do whatever they could to help and now they are backing out. Like the Op said it sounds like the apology wasn't sincere at all. The very least they can do is help the university by providing the mental health records. I think the lives of 32 innocent people trumps the potential further embarrassment of their family. I agree that it should be done quietly though since these things tend to be turned into media circuses.

You being a rabid Liberal disagree with that vehementally. Since you will never compromise on any issue (it's not your style), I'll simply agree to disagree. Good day to you.
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