| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
|
 Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: Bad Korean Doctor, Case #987 |
 |
|
This is quite horrible. My friend's 5 year old put one of those "button" batteries in his nose. Kids will stick anything in their nose at that age. She took him to the doctor. The doctor removed it. He claimed nothing was left in the nasal cavity. "He'll be fine." Or words to that effect.
A couple days later her son had a runny nose. She took him to the hospital. The battery leaked and ate away the cartilage in his nasal cavity. He has to have surgery and some kind of artificial cartilages put in. I don't think there will be any noticeable damage but he may have sinus problems for life now.
What makes me angry is:
1) The doctor warned her of no symptoms to look out for.
2) A simple google search on "battery nasal cavity" rather graphically lays out the dangers. Even more slipshod, the first paper is by a team of Korean doctors! The doctor couldn't even be bothered to do a simple literature search, let alone a google search, on the potential dangers.
So be warned parents:
1) Question anything a Korean doctor tells you.
2) Hide those little batteries from your kid. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| the doctor would never have done a google search, naver search maybe, in which case it would have taken him years to find anything relevant. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| 2) A simple google search on "battery nasal cavity" rather graphically lays out the dangers. Even more slipshod, the first paper is by a team of Korean doctors! |
maybe he wrote it
(kidding) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
http://www.poison.org/prevent/battery.asp
Jesus.
| Quote: |
| Leakage and/or the generation of an external current are the major mechanisms of battery-induced tissue damage. Button cells often contain potassium or sodium hydroxide electrolyte in concentrations up to 45%. Corrosive dissolution of the crimp region surrounding the seal increases the risk of subsequent leakage. An external current flowing between battery cathode and anode passes through adjacent tissue causing hydrolysis of tissue fluids and local generation of hydroxides. These hydroxides act on tissue the same way that an alkaline chemical leaking from the battery would act. Thus batteries do NOT have to leak to cause injury. |
This should be basic stuff for a doctor. This is high school chemistry. We've all done this: used a battery to make hydrogen from water. What's the thing going to make in a kid's nose? The thing doesn't even have to leak. Great Korean doctors can't stop for 10 seconds to recall basic chemistry. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mindmetoo wrote: |
http://www.poison.org/prevent/battery.asp
Jesus.
| Quote: |
| Leakage and/or the generation of an external current are the major mechanisms of battery-induced tissue damage. Button cells often contain potassium or sodium hydroxide electrolyte in concentrations up to 45%. Corrosive dissolution of the crimp region surrounding the seal increases the risk of subsequent leakage. An external current flowing between battery cathode and anode passes through adjacent tissue causing hydrolysis of tissue fluids and local generation of hydroxides. These hydroxides act on tissue the same way that an alkaline chemical leaking from the battery would act. Thus batteries do NOT have to leak to cause injury. |
This should be basic stuff for a doctor. This is high school chemistry. We've all done this: used a battery to make hydrogen from water. What's the thing going to make in a kid's nose? The thing doesn't even have to leak. Great Korean doctors can't stop for 10 seconds to recall basic chemistry. |
Speaking of high school chemistry... how can you make hydrogen from water using a battery? What do you call this process? Does it generate hydrogen 'atoms' or 'molecules'? What's the difference?
Can you predict the products of the electrolysis of an aqueous (what's 'aqueous?) MgCl2 (magnesium chloride) solution? (hint: making hydrogen)
Last edited by blynch on Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:33 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well, what are you going to do to change the Korean medical system?
Because if you aren't doing anything to change it, you're just wasting my time and the time of the other users of this board. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I am not impressed with Korean doctors.
1) In my most recent experience, I told the doctor I had cold symptoms including earaches. He looked at my throat and listened to my breathing. He seemed disinterested and didn't examine my ears (which would have taken 2 seconds). On top of this he gave me only one day of medication and asked me to come back the next day. Then it was the same examination again the next day and he gave me a staggering 4 more days of medication. 
2) A skin doctor warned me that I could have HIV because I had a toe nail fungal infection. A friend of mine who studies medicine told me that the doctor should have known right away that my toe nail infection was not a symptom of HIV because its growth pattern is different from that of a HIV infected person. He basically said that the skin doctor doesn't really know his stuff.
The same doctor gave me anti-fungal medication (for the toe nail infection) that has risky side effects including imparing liver function. Trusting him, I went through the week's worth of medication one time (with worry). When I see him again (with my toe nail infection all gone), he suggests that I take another week's worth of the same toxic medication "just in case". Not feeling good about this, I had a co-teacher at my school call up a pharmacy which confirned that these drugs do damage the liver. Needless to say, I threw the second prescription of medication into the garbage.
Be careful with Korean doctors. If you have something that might be serious, get a second opinion. Some of these doctors don't fully know what they're doing.
Last edited by Dev on Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| The Korean medical system is even more deplorable than their hogwan system. I suffered through 3 misdiagnoses until I finally had a doctor in Thailand tell me what was wrong with me. I never was given any medications in Korea that ever worked. They honestly just dont give a crap about non Koreans. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| blynch wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
http://www.poison.org/prevent/battery.asp
Jesus.
| Quote: |
| Leakage and/or the generation of an external current are the major mechanisms of battery-induced tissue damage. Button cells often contain potassium or sodium hydroxide electrolyte in concentrations up to 45%. Corrosive dissolution of the crimp region surrounding the seal increases the risk of subsequent leakage. An external current flowing between battery cathode and anode passes through adjacent tissue causing hydrolysis of tissue fluids and local generation of hydroxides. These hydroxides act on tissue the same way that an alkaline chemical leaking from the battery would act. Thus batteries do NOT have to leak to cause injury. |
This should be basic stuff for a doctor. This is high school chemistry. We've all done this: used a battery to make hydrogen from water. What's the thing going to make in a kid's nose? The thing doesn't even have to leak. Great Korean doctors can't stop for 10 seconds to recall basic chemistry. |
Speaking of high school chemistry... how can you make hydrogen from water using a battery? What do you call this process? Does it generate hydrogen 'atoms' or 'molecules'? What's the difference? |
Stick an electric current in water and it'll break the bonds between the Oxygen and Hydrogen (electrolysis).
Even if it procuded an atom of hygrogen or oxygen they wouldn't stay atoms for long.( I think the word you are looking for is ion.)
If you don't know the difference...look it up. Atom is one basic unit. A molecule is more than one atom. Look like Blynch would make a good Korean doctor. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
Well, what are you going to do to change the Korean medical system?
Because if you aren't doing anything to change it, you're just wasting my time and the time of the other users of this board. |
What does a TEACHER have to do with changing the medical system?
A TEACHER on the other hand can have an effect on the education system since that's the system he works in. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="Pak Yu Man"]
| blynch wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
http://www.poison.org/prevent/battery.asp
Jesus.
| Quote: |
| Leakage and/or the generation of an external current are the major mechanisms of battery-induced tissue damage. Button cells often contain potassium or sodium hydroxide electrolyte in concentrations up to 45%. Corrosive dissolution of the crimp region surrounding the seal increases the risk of subsequent leakage. An external current flowing between battery cathode and anode passes through adjacent tissue causing hydrolysis of tissue fluids and local generation of hydroxides. These hydroxides act on tissue the same way that an alkaline chemical leaking from the battery would act. Thus batteries do NOT have to leak to cause injury. |
This should be basic stuff for a doctor. This is high school chemistry. We've all done this: used a battery to make hydrogen from water. What's the thing going to make in a kid's nose? The thing doesn't even have to leak. Great Korean doctors can't stop for 10 seconds to recall basic chemistry. |
Speaking of high school chemistry... how can you make hydrogen from water using a battery? What do you call this process? Does it generate hydrogen 'atoms' or 'molecules'? What's the difference? |
Stick an electric current in water and it'll break the bonds between the Oxygen and Hydrogen (electrolysis). How does electrical energy (not just a current, stupid... P=IV) break the covalent bond between the oxygen atom and hydrogen atom?
Even if it procuded an atom of hygrogen or oxygen they wouldn't stay atoms for long.( I think the word you are looking for is ion.) ion is an atom or a group of atoms that hasa a net positive (losing electrons) or negative charge (gaining electrons to be stable). Idiot, water-electrolysis only produces hydrogen (and oxygen) molecules, not atoms or ions... and running electricity through ionic compounds like NaCl can separate those compounds into their contituent element, Na and Cl.
If you don't know the difference...look it up. Atom is one basic unit of an element. A molecule is an aggregates of more than one atom, held together by special forces... usually covalent bonds (sharing electrons)
Pak Yu Man, predict the products of the electrolysis of an aqueous (what's 'aqueous?) MgCl2 (magnesium chloride) solution? (hint: making hydrogen) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
What does a TEACHER have to do with changing the medical system?
A TEACHER on the other hand can have an effect on the education system since that's the system he works in. |
What does a FOREIGN teacher have to do with changing the KOREAN education system?
A FOREIGNER, insert cliche here, cannot have an effect on the KOREAN education system because, as a FOREIGNER, that ISN"T the system he works in.
You've got as much chance of changing the Korean banking system. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
| xingyiman wrote: |
| The Korean medical system is even more deplorable than their hogwan system. I suffered through 3 misdiagnoses until I finally had a doctor in Thailand tell me what was wrong with me. I never was given any medications in Korea that ever worked. They honestly just dont give a crap about non Koreans. |
You can bet that if these korean doctors were any good..they would not be doctors in korea! They would be "doctoring" in better countries. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
| this is why folks need to go to one of the int clinics in the bigger cities, yeah it stinks for those out of town. The only dr I will see is at the Int Clinic at Asan hosp. If its good enough for the US Embassy and the USFK then it'll be fine for me. I wouldn't trust the local Dr. Park with even a hangnail |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="blynch"]
| PakYuMan wrote: |
| blynch wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
http://www.poison.org/prevent/battery.asp
Jesus.
| Quote: |
| Leakage and/or the generation of an external current are the major mechanisms of battery-induced tissue damage. Button cells often contain potassium or sodium hydroxide electrolyte in concentrations up to 45%. Corrosive dissolution of the crimp region surrounding the seal increases the risk of subsequent leakage. An external current flowing between battery cathode and anode passes through adjacent tissue causing hydrolysis of tissue fluids and local generation of hydroxides. These hydroxides act on tissue the same way that an alkaline chemical leaking from the battery would act. Thus batteries do NOT have to leak to cause injury. |
This should be basic stuff for a doctor. This is high school chemistry. We've all done this: used a battery to make hydrogen from water. What's the thing going to make in a kid's nose? The thing doesn't even have to leak. Great Korean doctors can't stop for 10 seconds to recall basic chemistry. |
Speaking of high school chemistry... how can you make hydrogen from water using a battery? What do you call this process? Does it generate hydrogen 'atoms' or 'molecules'? What's the difference? |
Stick an electric current in water and it'll break the bonds between the Oxygen and Hydrogen (electrolysis). How does electrical energy (not just a current, stupid... P=IV) break the covalent bond between the oxygen atom and hydrogen atom?
Even if it procuded an atom of hygrogen or oxygen they wouldn't stay atoms for long.( I think the word you are looking for is ion.) ion is an atom or a group of atoms that hasa a net positive (losing electrons) or negative charge (gaining electrons to be stable). Idiot, water-electrolysis only produces hydrogen (and oxygen) molecules, not atoms or ions... and running electricity through ionic compounds like NaCl can separate those compounds into their contituent element, Na and Cl.
If you don't know the difference...look it up. Atom is one basic unit of an element. A molecule is an aggregates of more than one atom, held together by special forces... usually covalent bonds (sharing electrons)
Pak Yu Man, predict the products of the electrolysis of an aqueous (what's 'aqueous?) MgCl2 (magnesium chloride) solution? (hint: making hydrogen) |
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
