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grainger
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Location: Wonju, Korea
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I will give the government some credit. I like how they've begun embracing apprenticeship programmes. Part of the problems with changing standards is that over the last 20-30 years there has been an increased emphasis put on getting a college or university education. It's gotten to the point that you can't get a factory job without a bachelors degree. In my parent's day if you finished highschool you could go to work for the town or city and expect a reasonable standard of living. All that has changed.
More and more students want to get into universities, so they push for grades they haven't earned. The universities are raising their entrance grades to compansate for the grade negotiation and remedial programmes that have damaged the reputation and value of a highschool diploma. A bachelor's degree or college diploma is becoming the new highschool.
I like apprenticeship programmes because you can make a lot of money becoming a plumber, or a carpenter, or a tattoo artist, right out of high school, and if that's what you want to do all the power to you, but society seems to think that by not having gone to some post secondary institution you've some how failed. Utter bullsh!t in my opinion. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| I believe that by not holding children to certain standards we are failing to prepare them for the "real world". In the "real world" we are always held up to somebody elses standards. In a job related environment those are standards we have to meet; whether we agree with them or not. |
I met with this problem back before I came to Korea. Working for a large conglomerate, I witnessed a new employee breaking the world record for getting written up soonest after beginning the job: an hour and a half. The spoiled snot actually stomped her foot at the boss, refusing to do what she was told to do because she didn't want to do it, and she'll "call her mother to tell you I don't have to do it". Surprise surprise that she got a SECOND written warning by the end of the day... she was fired VERY soon after. Ah, the sweet insolence of youth and the wonderful world of entitlement taken to extremes. |
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grainger
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Location: Wonju, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly what I'm afraid of. A generation of falsely entitled, over indulged Paris Hiltons. Okay, that's extreme. But the above is a perfect example. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| grainger wrote: |
| But the above is a perfect example. |
I've got stories like that to fill a book. The ones of my uni students were just as bad. One mom drove 5 hours to discuss her daughter's B with me. Not the daughter, just mom. The dozens of moms (it seems never to be a dad) milling about in droves, on the arm of their progeny during orientation week. As resident supervisor, I got another long distnce call from one mom to tell me her son has a burned out bulb in his room (one floor up from me). Working for a job training center, I gave job interview seminars and had moms show up sans child to learn how their child should answer in an interview (I won't even mention the number of parents who ACCOMPANY them to the interview and INSIST on sitting in on it and doing all the contract negotiating for the child).
I have seen the future of our world, and I tremble. |
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just alittlecrazy
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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These things are true of many countries. In New Zealand we have become anally obsessed with childrens rights and giving them positive encouragement. Grades are now meaningless, as giving a D or F will damage their self esteem.
Universities are dumbing down because of competitive government funding and competition for students between universities. If they fail too many students then they're not a good university and face a government review.
Sure there were problems within the system years ago but we seem to be over compensating. |
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congee
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Also, these kids are "graduating" into an ever more globalized, competitive, economy and labour market. If they've been lulled into a false sense of their own infallibility by never having experienced failure or genuine achievement then how the hell are they going to compete with their highly motivated peers from India and China. There are plenty of stories out there about the sense of unearned entitlement and lack of basic skills which young Canadians are bringing to the workplace these days.
I guess we can expect the Canadian corporate fire sale to continue for another generation. |
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cosmicgirlie
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| congee wrote: |
Also, these kids are "graduating" into an ever more globalized, competitive, economy and labour market. If they've been lulled into a false sense of their own infallibility by never having experienced failure or genuine achievement then how the hell are they going to compete with their highly motivated peers from India and China. There are plenty of stories out there about the sense of unearned entitlement and lack of basic skills which young Canadians are bringing to the workplace these days.
I guess we can expect the Canadian corporate fire sale to continue for another generation. |
And this is a root cause of the rise in racism towards Indo-Chinese with respect to "taking away" jobs. Well if the lazy basta*ds get off their lazy fat as*es then they wouldn't have to "worry" about their job being lost to highly motivated individuals. That is one thing I will not tolerate from my daughter. If she's failing she's off to get tutored and intense bringing up to speed course load. I don't expect A+ but I do expect a high standard of achievement. Hence, me not putting her in a regular public school but one that requires dilligence--ie French Immersion--where by Grade 4 most of the hacks are weeded out! |
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