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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Fair Trade Coffee at Homeplus Reply with quote

Just want everyone to know that you can now buy Fair Trade coffee from Nepal at Homeplus locations. It comes in 200 g black bags with green lettering. It's not amazing coffee, but decent enough. However, by buying it you help ensure farmers receive a fair price for their product.

Cheers!
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Fair Trade Coffee at Homeplus Reply with quote

crazy_arcade wrote:
Just want everyone to know that you can now buy Fair Trade coffee from Nepal at Homeplus locations. It comes in 200 g black bags with green lettering. It's not amazing coffee, but decent enough. However, by buying it you help ensure farmers receive a fair price for their product.

Cheers!


I'm all into that. I'll check that out.

I downloaded a great 3-part documentary series called 'Black Coffee' which was excellent at showing how fair trade coffee works and how without it whole economies can collaspe.

How are Starbucks these days for Fair Trade? I think they make an effort. Whether it's because of PR or because they actually care.......?
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know Starbucks doesn't go by international standards for "fair trade." They have their own system set-up I believe. I used to have a few friends that worked at Starbucks in uni and I would often get the spiel from them. Starbucks certainly has a lot of PR about how good thier relationships with farmers are and so forth. I have no idea about any details though.
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kotakji



Joined: 23 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think Starbucks could successfully rely on the established Fair Trade regime. While its a great idea when talking about your everyday decent beans- the regime doesnt do much to distinguish between different quality of beans. As far as I know it only distinguishes between subspecies Arabica and Robusta (sp?) as far as pricing goes.

Thats not to say Starbucks isnt trading fairly with the producers though. Though what one person considers fair another may not.

*Edit* I pulled out a article I read in grad school about the issue again- seems a major part of the problem is that Starbucks actually pays the farmers more per unit for their beans then the FT regime does to insure quality.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get this Hikkoka coffee at Homeplus in a 7 ounce sea green bag. They grind the beans there for you and it's really good gourmet Columbian coffee.
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
I get this Hikkoka coffee at Homeplus in a 7 ounce sea green bag. They grind the beans there for you and it's really good gourmet Columbian coffee.


Yup, but is it fair trade? That's the only reason I posted this.
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, it's a fair trade for my won! LOL.
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oni



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also an organic/fair trade cafe chain called Cafe Des Verts.
I haven't been to one yet

www.cafedesverts.com

They also have organic chocolate

there are branches in Yeoksam, Dongbu Icheon, Mokdong (in Hyundai Dept store), Cheongdam.

anyone been to one????
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oni wrote:
There's also an organic/fair trade cafe chain called Cafe Des Verts.
I haven't been to one yet

www.cafedesverts.com

They also have organic chocolate

there are branches in Yeoksam, Dongbu Icheon, Mokdong (in Hyundai Dept store), Cheongdam.

anyone been to one????


Good to know, thanks!

Does anyone know of any organic bakeries/cafes? I know there is 1 or 2 vegan bakeries so there must be some good organic bakeries, right?
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Hairy Jim



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Fairtrade Reply with quote

I used to do campaigning work for Fairtrade in the UK (before I ditched my morals at immigration), does anyone know if there's anything like that going on in Korea?
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oni



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Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.beautifulstore.org
they sell some fair trade stuff and is a kind of recycling/used goods store.
Don't know if they do campaigning work per se. There's info on their website about volunteering
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mack4289



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is Fair Trade really good for anyone beside the farmers? Think about it: Starbucks or whoever pays an above market price to these farmers, obviously using a currency that's stronger the currency of the farmer's country. That takes more of the farmer's currency off the market and so the value of that currency goes up. When currency values go up, that country's exports get more expensive. Normally this is the sign of a healthy economy in which the citizens are becoming consumers as well as producers. But in the case of Fair Trade products, it's only a sign that some well meaning importers are paying above market prices for some of that country's exports, thereby hurting the competitiveness of that country's exporters. Is there something I'm missing here? Doesn't this seem like a likely consequence of Fair Trade?
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack4289 wrote:
So is Fair Trade really good for anyone beside the farmers? Think about it: Starbucks or whoever pays an above market price to these farmers, obviously using a currency that's stronger the currency of the farmer's country. That takes more of the farmer's currency off the market and so the value of that currency goes up. When currency values go up, that country's exports get more expensive. Normally this is the sign of a healthy economy in which the citizens are becoming consumers as well as producers. But in the case of Fair Trade products, it's only a sign that some well meaning importers are paying above market prices for some of that country's exports, thereby hurting the competitiveness of that country's exporters. Is there something I'm missing here? Doesn't this seem like a likely consequence of Fair Trade?


I have no idea about the validity of this as I'm not an economics major. How do you know that, let's say, Starbucks is paying in a stronger currency and not local currency (yes, it's most likely US currency). Does it really take more of the local currency off the market in any case? These people are feeding their families, sending their kids to school, buying new tools for work....all things they would be doing with local currency.

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Starbucks or whoever pays an above market price to these farmers


I might be reading too much into this but it would appear that you're not into the fair trade scheme.

Let's not forget that the market price for coffee is nowhere near the actual value of the commodity because of distribution control.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Fairtrade Reply with quote

Hairy Jim wrote:
I used to do campaigning work for Fairtrade in the UK (before I ditched my morals at immigration), does anyone know if there's anything like that going on in Korea?


The whole country is built on protecting inefficient markets whilst gaining entry to the rest of the world. You should campaign for fair trade here by insisting that we no longer pay $6 for 2 kilos of rice so that cranky old farmers from the Chollas can get loaded on Soju and pig trotters or take junkets to anti WTO meetings in Hong Kong where they beat up the police and then claim ignorance of local laws.
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazy_arcade wrote:
As far as I know Starbucks doesn't go by international standards for "fair trade." They have their own system set-up I believe. I used to have a few friends that worked at Starbucks in uni and I would often get the spiel from them. Starbucks certainly has a lot of PR about how good thier relationships with farmers are and so forth. I have no idea about any details though.


Starbucks pays over market price for coffee they buy. They also spend more on insurance for their employees than they do on coffee. They make money but they have a pretty good record on the human side of their business.

Jade
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