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[cosmo]

[EFLtrainer]

[EFLtrainer]

Back on topic.

Ask yourselves: why is the United States the only developed nation that still debates the role of human actions in global warming?

Why, if the research is so massively in favor of human-influenced GW, do so many claim the evidence is inconclusive or evenly distributed between the two camps? (Remember the evidence as of '04 was 900 - 0 for. I seriously doubt it is hugely different now.)

Yes, there is some evidence that might say GW has no human influence, but that evidence also is refuted by other evidence. It is not just that someone says, "It's the sun, dummy!" and there is no mitigating evidence against that. So, why do people treat it that way?

Given such data as the IPCC report not even including the ice melt in their projections and ALL evidence I've uncovered indicating ice melt at the upper reaches of projections, if not beyond, how can people pretend there is nothing serious going on?

Given that it doesn't matter a whole lot whether the CAUSE is human-influenced (saying "caused" is a misleading, probably intentionally, statement. No intelligent person believes GW is "caused" by human action and no intelligent human should claim any other intelligent human has said so. It's propaganda) or natural. What we know, indisputably, is that CO2 is part of the feedback mechanism. It DOES increase warming. It is only one of many, many factors, however. I've seen two relatively recent studies that looked at temperatures around the time of the dinosaurs. They were surprised that the temperatures GLOBALLY were so high, but that the fossil record didn't reflect that. They went back and looked at this and found the arrangement of continents (Gondwonoland?) had a large effect on the temperatures over land even as GLOBAL temps were quite high.

Don't be fooled by data bits. You have to take a big picture view. The big picture view says we are affecting warming. Period.

You can claim against if you like, but I c an virtually guarantee you are not doing so after having looked at significant amounts of data.

[khyber]

[cosmo]

[enns]

[cosmo]

[khyber]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not altogether convinced that it IS human caused either.
However,
1) I would rather ere on the side of caution when playing with possible affects on the entire human race.
2) Very little good science has been published that runs contrary to, or disproves GG and GW related theories. There are studies that provide alternative explanations that I've read; some of them being quite convincing.

Grey's article is all fine and dandy until I read this:

[enns]

khyber, I don't think you and I are too far off here. I tend to agree a lot of what you say.

I think Gray offers some valid points, but, of course, he isn't the only authority on this topic. Most scientists agree that the earth is currently warming, but debate the extent of human responsibility.

I do think that those who question GW(the "deniers") do have more trouble getting funding those who support the theory. I've heard this from many scientists, even in America.

[khyber]

[EFLtrainer]

[cosmo]

It is NOT about THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

It is about the ENVIRONMENT.
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EFLTrainer wrote
"Are you suggesting in a thread about global warming you didn't intentionally conflate that with George Bush? Who the hell ever calls Dumbya GW? I've never seen nor heard it before.

Sorry, not buying, so man up and admit you were being a twit.

You've had your fifteen seconds of fame, now bugger off. Next post on topic, please, or you will be roundly ignored."
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That is rude, EFLtwainuh bwoke my cwayons, .....no not really

I am not referring to the current USA President who is often affectionately referred to as

GW www.gwbush.com

Your rudeness is commensurate with your ignorance of American history and other subjects.

Your knowledge of history goes back only as far as the day your umbilical cord was unwrapped from around your neck.

I am going to train you in the finer points of American History, and American cinematography.

The film Once Upon A Time In America
is an epic tale of the lives of a small group of New York City Jewish gangsters spanning over 40 years. Told mostly in flashbacks and flash-forwards, the movie centers on small-time hood David 'Noodles' Aaronson and his lifelong partners in crime; Max, Cookey and Patsy and their friends from growing up in the rough Jewish neighborhood of New York's Lower East Side in the 1920s, to the last years of Prohibition in the early 1930s, and then to the late 1960s where an elderly Noodles returns to New York after many years in hiding to look into the past.

The film 1931: Once Upon A Time In New York
is about Prohibition era gangster battles for control of the lucrative NYC illegal alcohol market.

142 years before 1931, Once upon a time in America, in a place now called New York City,
the United States Of America's first capital,

George Washington became the first President of the United States.

Congress had planned for the new government to begin its responsibilities on March 4, 1789, but a harsh winter made travel difficult, and it wasn�t until April 6 that enough congressmen arrived in New York to count the electors� votes and announce, "Whereby it appears that George Washington, Esq. Was unanimously elected President, --and John Adams, Esq. Was duly elected Vice President of the United States of America�

It took several days for the exciting news to reach Mount Vernon, General Washington�s home in Virginia. He set off for the capital, leaving behind his wife, Martha, who would join him later. He traveled by coach and on horseback through Baltimore, Wilmington, and Philadelphia, finally arriving in New York City aboard a grand barge that had been rowed from New Jersey across Newark Bay. Meanwhile John Adams, his Vice President-elect, and the Congress were deciding what the new Chief Executive�s official title should be. Adams preferred "His Most Benign Highness," but a congressional committee settled on the title we still use today: "President of the United States.

Inauguration Day, April 30, began with the sounds of ceremonial artillery and church bells ringing across the city. At noon, General Washington made his way through large crowds to Federal Hall, where both houses of Congress were assembled for swearing-in. New York Chancellor Robert Livingston read the oath, and Washington, his right hand on a Bible, repeated the words inscribed in the Constitution: "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of the President of the United States and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." President Washington added the words, "So help me God," a custom followed by every President since.
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I Hate Liars Like You. I Hate Your Lies.

[khyber]

[EFLtrainer]

[EFLtrainer]