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thepeel
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 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Hamas thanks you for your tax dollars. |
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AZA CITY [MENL] -- Hamas has captured thousands of assault rifles and scores of combat vehicles financed by the United States and supplied by Egypt and Jordan to the Palestinian Authority.
The Islamic movement acquired the weapons, ammunition and vehicles during Hamas's capture of security installations in the Gaza Strip aligned with PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. For the most part, Fatah-aligned PA officers fled the Hamas assaults.
"I would say that they have most of the weapons and armored vehicles sent by Egypt and Jordan over the last year," a PA security officer said.
The officer said Hamas seized thousands of U.S.-origin M-16 and Soviet-origin AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifles as well as military radios. He said other booty captured by Hamas included trucks, mortars and hand grenades. |
These naive Western governments are really going out of their way to appease muslims and pay the jiyza. How could they arm anyone in that area?
I think we can all stop pretending now. Right?
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twg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: Re: Hamas thanks you for your tax dollars. |
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These naive Western governments are really going out of their way to appease muslims and pay the jiyza. How could they arm anyone in that area?
I think we can all stop pretending now. Right? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Yup. A vibrant liberal democracy is only a generation away! |
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twg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Yup. A vibrant liberal democracy is only a generation away! |
None of these images have any relevance.
Besides you thinking western society going to collapse like a deck of cards the second someone with a turban, or maybe even a burrito in hand, shows up.
Some time before our births, shrill xenophobes like yourself were making the same pronouncements of cultural doom over the Irish, Germans and Japanese. Now people will laugh at you if you said they were going to destroy us all.
I have faith in the strength of our culture. And I don't think you and the rest of the crackpots are worried losing it as much as you're overjoyed at having a target for your petty bigotries.
The simple fact is our culture has been going strong, absorbing and adapting for a very long time now. And it's going to keep on doing that while you and your ilk stand there on the street corner yelling about our damnation. And then long after you're all dead. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| None of these images have any relevance. |
They very clearly show what the future of "palestine" will look like.
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| Besides you thinking western society going to collapse like a deck of cards the second someone with a turban, or maybe even a burrito in hand, shows up. |
muslims don't wear turbans, and I greatly like Hispanics. You might want to consult the last 3 or 4 posts I made about immigration to America.
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Some time before our births, shrill xenophobes like yourself were making the same pronouncements of cultural doom over the Irish, Germans and Japanese. Now people will laugh at you if you said they were going to destroy us all. |
You would do well to consider that not all groups are the same. I have fully zero doubt that Mexicans, Chileans etc will do well in America. muslims, however, will bring Europe to her knees.
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| I have faith in the strength of our culture. And I don't think you and the rest of the crackpots are worried losing it as much as you're overjoyed at having a target for your petty bigotries. |
Bigotries eh? You lefty douchbags are all the same.
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| The simple fact is our culture has been going strong, absorbing and adapting for a very long time now. And it's going to keep on doing that while you and your ilk stand there on the street corner yelling about our damnation. And then long after you're all dead. |
Who are my ilk?
Europe is not assimilating or absorbing muslims. Read up on it. You might want to consult European/islamic history as well. We are witnessing only the latest round in a struggle for the control of Europe. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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BJWD:
The photos of the kids and the knives portray a Shiite religious ritual called Ashoura, not an act of political violence. The ritual is probably rooted in violence and xenophobia, but no more so than Jews celebrating the fact that their God spared Jewish children while murdering everyone else's.
And yes, it's probably not the safest thing for the kids, but then neither is having your p*enis sucked on by an old rabbi.
http://www.slate.com/id/2125225/
Now, I now you're going to assure us that you don't like Judaism either, and I believe that. But the point is, I don't usually see you analyzing Israeli or Jewish-American politics as somehow related to the freakier aspects of Jewish ritual. |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Hand: Are you seriously comparing Jewish religious rituals with the "ceremonies" of hatred that are so commonplace within the Islamisist world?
Your link borders on anti-Semitism. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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BJWD:
The photos of the kids and the knives portray a Shiite religious ritual called Ashoura, not an act of political violence. The ritual is probably rooted in violence and xenophobia, but no more so than Jews celebrating the fact that their God spared Jewish children while murdering everyone else's.
And yes, it's probably not the safest thing for the kids, but then neither is having your p*enis sucked on by an old rabbi.
http://www.slate.com/id/2125225/
Now, I now you're going to assure us that you don't like Judaism either, and I believe that. But the point is, I don't usually see you analyzing Israeli or Jewish-American politics as somehow related to the freakier aspects of Jewish ritual. |
Hitchens has been teaching the non-Jewish world about that disgusting ritual for the past few months. It is actually the best example of the sickness of religion. Closely followed by cutting your kids head open. And cutting your kid at all.
But I link the cutup kids with the gun toting kids together because they both give a clue to how the future will look like. The average age in the territories is 15, and they have been abused for every single one of those years. We have not seen even the beginning of violence in Gaza/West Bank.
muslims are 1 billion+ on this world, and getting more and more muslim every day. Jews are how many people? I'll give disproportionate attention to the muslims.
When I go through security at Changi, I don't take my shoes off cause of the Jews... |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Hand: Are you seriously comparing Jewish religious rituals with the "ceremonies" of hatred that are so commonplace within the Islamisist world?
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Well, I dunno. A ritual where you celebrate the fact that your god let your children live while he was murdering everyone else's? I wouldn't exactly call that a festival of peace, love, and inclusiveness.
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| Your link borders on anti-Semitism. |
Slate magazine? Anti-semitic? Check out some of the names on their list of current contributors...
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Emily Bazelon ('Family'/'Jurisprudence')
Henry Blodget ('Go East, Young Man')
Paul Boutin ('Technology')
Bryan Curtis ('The Middlebrow')
John Dickerson ('Politics')
Elisabeth Eaves ('The Best Policy')
Daniel Engber ('Explainer')
Edward Jay Epstein ('The Hollywood Economist')
Mia Fineman ('Art')
Bonnie Goldstein ('Hot Document')
David Greenberg ('History Lesson')
Daniel Gross ('Moneybox')
Michael Grunwald ('The Zeitgeist Checklist')
Christopher Hitchens ('Fighting Words')
Fred Kaplan ('War Stories')
Mickey Kaus ('Kausfiles'/'Gearbox')
Michael Kinsley ('Readme')
Steven Landsburg ('Everyday Economics')
Josh Levin ('Sports Nut')
Dahlia Lithwick ('Jurisprudence')
Eric Liu ('Teachings')
Stephen Metcalf ('The Dilettante')
Timothy Noah ('Chatterbox'/'Hot Document')
Josh Patner ('Fashion')
Troy Patterson ('Television')
Robert Pinsky ('Poetry editor')
David Plotz ('Blogging the Bible')
Daniel Politi ('Today's Papers')
Bruce Reed ('The Has-Been')
Jody Rosen ('Music Box')
William Saletan ('Human Nature'/'The Frame Game')
Jack Shafer ('Press Box')
Dana Stevens ('Surfergirl' through 2005/'Movies')
Garry Trudeau ('Doonesbury')
Seth Stevenson ('Ad Report Card'/'Well-Traveled')
Eric Umansky ('Today's Papers')
Jacob Weisberg ('Bushisms'/'The Big Idea')
Emily Yoffe ('Dear Prudence'/'Human Guinea-pig')
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As for Hitchens, if you know anything about his writing, you'll know that he is at least as contemptuous of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. as he is of Judaism. When it comes to religion, he's pretty much an equal-opportunity offendor. |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Hand: I was referring to the article itself. My point stands, as such.
Are you seriously trying to tell us that gun-toting "rituals" throughout the Islamic world are not designed to teach children to hate the West(in general) and Israel(in particular)? |
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On the other hand
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Are you seriously trying to tell us that gun-toting "rituals" throughout the Islamic world are not designed to teach children to hate the West(in general) and Israel(in particular)?
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I was referring to the head-cutting ritual with the knives, not the gun-toting pictures.
As for the kids with the guns...
Yeah, obviously, that's training them for future violence. But as I've said before on this website: why would any Jewish settler bring their kids to live in the occupied territory, unless it was because they wanted them to grow up on the front-line of a war zone?
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I was referring to the article itself. My point stands, as such.
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Well, I'd be interested to see what you think is anti-semitic about the article, besides that Hitchens dislikes the Jewish religion along with all other religions. |
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD:
(1) The ritual is probably rooted in violence and xenophobia, but no more so than Jews celebrating the fact that their God spared Jewish children while murdering everyone else's.
(2) And yes, it's probably not the safest thing for the kids, but then neither is having your p*enis sucked on by an old rabbi.
http://www.slate.com/id/2125225/
Now, I now you're going to assure us that you don't like Judaism either, and I believe that. But the point is, I don't usually see you analyzing Israeli or Jewish-American politics as somehow related to the freakier aspects of Jewish ritual. |
1. Except that didn't happen and that's not what they are celebrating.
2. So taking what a handful of fringe practioners do is representative of the whole? Because that's the argument you are trying to make here. FYI the article you posted clearly says that practise was banned among most Jews (the mainstream) and has been for many years. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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1. Except that didn't happen and that's not what they are celebrating.
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Pesach or Passover is a spring holiday commemorating the Exodus, the liberation of the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt in the time of Moses (circa 13th century BCE). Many of its observances are instituted in chapters 12 to 15 of the book of Exodus.
Passover's name comes from the last of the Ten Plagues visited on the Egyptians by Yahweh before the Exodus. All firstborn male children were killed, but those Hebrew households that had slaughtered a lamb and marked their doorposts with its blood were "passed over." It is also an agricultural holiday commemorating the beginning of the harvest season, but this aspect of Passover is not emphasized.
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So, it might be the exodus in its entirety that is being commemorated. However, the sparing of the Jewish children from the homicidal wrath of the Jewish god would seem to be a pretty front-and-center aspect of the celebration.
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| So taking what a handful of fringe practioners do is representative of the whole? Because that's the argument you are trying to make here. |
No. But how many Muslims in the world are cutting babies' heads at Ashura?
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On the other hand
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On the other hand
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