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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: ffffffffffffff Reply with quote

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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have personally known two American teachers, christians, who lived in Seoul for several years yet never went to Itaewon. Not once. Not even in daytime. One said his church pastor, Korean, told his flock to not go there.

Well, it's their loss. Itaewon is great. And it's even better without party-pooping christians.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like iteawon it has a nice feeling to it during the day time. Kind of like home but not as boring Laughing Night time I'm not a big fan of, but that's just me.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a heart of darkness? Well, that would depend on your interpretation of heart of darkness.

I'm sure with all the black people some Koreans would see it as a heart of darkness. But that's only one interpretation.

Another possible analogy is that ALONE IN THE WILDERNESS THE SOUL LOOKS WITHIN ITSELF AND BY GOD IT GOES MAD (paraphrasing here).

I don't think so.

I've been to Itaewon many many times but haven't been there in many many months. Why? The shopping sucks, the restaurants are not nearly as good or cosmopolitan as people claim, and there are no good cafes or galleries. Also, apparently, the custom tailors forgot to look up the word custom: listen to me and stop taking every sartorial request as an insult to your mediocre tailoring abilities.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could also check out Songtan and Ansan, nice little escapes from Korea for the day.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of it is how expensive it is. Part of it is that not Korean, not fast food can be had many other places. Part of it is that it makes people lazy. Part of it is that people get stuck there. Part of it is that it's the only dangerous part of Seoul. Part of it is having to worry if the chick you're picking up will ask for money for sex. Part of it is soldiers.
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Soju Lizard



Joined: 11 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the day, Itaewon was mostly known for its large seedy redlight district at night and aggressive street hawkers during the day. When the Korean economy wasn't so good, hundreds of Korean ladies would flock to Itaewon every night in the hopes of catching a foreigner (Army) boyfriend and dreams of the Big PX in the Sky. Kangnam was just a bunch of noodle shops outside the bus station and Apgujeong-dong wasn't on the horizon yet.

Over time, things in Korea have improved and I think Itaewon is a reminder to many Koreans of their poorer days when for many Koreans, marrying a foreigner was their best chance for a better future (much like the Philippines is today). As a result, many Koreans today do avoid it like the plague less they be reminded of those former days. Korean pride is deeply rooted in this culture and many don't even like to acknowledge those former times.

As for the foreigners who avoid it, I've asked some of my own friends who avoid the area this and they said "Why would I come all the way to Korea just to hangout with other foreigners?" I think this is kind of a silly philosophy myself. I enjoy going native myself and I've gone more native here than most but sometimes its nice to be able to speak English, talk with some folks from back home or other countries and have some food that isn't fusion or "Koreanized". Some of the best restaurants in the city are in Itaewon and bars like The 3 Alley Pub, Geckos and Woodstock are a nice change of pace with a good mix of foreigners and locals alike. The redlight district is mostly gone (except for The Hill) and in the past several years, many new bars and restaurants have changed the landscape. The shopping isn't what it once was but its still the best place to get certain things for Western tastes (fake sports jerseys, souvenir trinkets, custom leather, etc). If that's not your thing, Namdaemun, Dongdaemun and the big computer market are just around the corner. Those who avoid Itaewon are missing out on truly one of the most unique experiences in Korea.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I go there sometimes but not overly impressed w/ the people I meet, but, sometimes you get lucky.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchi Pizza wrote:
Over time, things in Korea have improved and I think Itaewon is a reminder to many Koreans of their poorer days when for many Koreans, marrying a foreigner was their best chance for a better future (much like the Philippines is today).


Define better. Korean women are still being prostituted/prostituting around the world in tremendous numbers. For discussion and mainstream links use the search here and you will find them. As for the Philippines, marrriage is not the only option, not even the preferred one. Working abroad, however, is. Remittances make up a huge chunk of the economy there and people are more likely to have a "better" future in the Philippines if they happen to be related to someone who has copped a nice (by Filipino standards) job in Dubai, or Saudi or LA or wherever. As far as richness goes, I personally find the intelligence of Filipino institutions of art and literature, to name but the two that I am familiar with, to be among the richest in the world, or, at least light years ahead of Korea.

As a result, many Koreans today do avoid it like the plague less they be reminded of those former days. Korean pride is deeply rooted in this culture and many don't even like to acknowledge those former times.

Or, maybe it's too much for the Korean masculine ego (and the feminine one that placates it) to be in a scene where so many Korean women have foreign boyfriends. Seriously, in a society where everyone loves to entertain themselves with images of Korean men with white women (isn't there now a Korean movie with this exact theme?) but rarely ever the reverse even though the reverse is more common (except for farmers and South East Asian women), it must be hard to cope with all those national myths of Korean virility coming to naught.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itaewon's alright. Loads of wankers, but same as anywhere else.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
You could also check out Songtan and Ansan, nice little escapes from Korea for the day.


Now someone please tell me. Are there Indian restaurants somewhere in Ansan? How would I go about getting there? I just love Indian food, going all the way to Itaewon is a bit much sometimes...
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like Itaewon. Makes me feel generally ashamed.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So why is it, when I try to invite so many of my fellow westerners in Kyonggi province and the outskirts of Seoul to go there with me, they say they "avoid it like the plague"?


PeterDragon, I think it has to do with the followers mentality. It is in vogue to say that Itawon is a cesspole. One is cool if they avoid Itawon. They may go there but will never tell others that they like it.

Anyways, I live in Gwangju and rarely go to Seoul these days.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like going to Itaewon but I try not to go TOO much since that would mean I dislike the locals (which I tend to do nowadays). I like the diversity of restaurants in the area, and the atmosphere that allows just about anyone to strike up a conversation with a stranger, Korean or non-Korean.

A testament to Itaewon's rise from a slimepit is the growing number of new places opening up, like Casa Loca and Baby Guinness (correct me if I got the names wrong). Itaewon property is also hot as many want to set up businesses there. I've had interesting and great talks with people in Itaewon, and have even made a few good friends.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't go to Itaewon much because it is so hit-and-miss. I've had fun there but I've had too many good moods swallowed whole as well.
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