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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| I think she is pretty p1ssed with Fiji and Zimbabwe right now, though. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| In studies on the subject, British people even attest that, if in an argument with Americans, all they must do is speak with a stronger British accent and the American will inevitably forfeit his position |
No way! That sounds out there to me. What studies or am I completely missing a joke?
There is also no such thing as a british accent, different parts of Britain have wildly different accents. A guy talking in a scouse accent wouldn't make me bow to his opinion, just check for my wallet. thats a joke scousers.  |
Have to get back to you later with a reference if I can.
Your objection about the phrase "a British accent" is moot because I never implied there is only one. 'A' can mean 'one from a group'. |
Fair enough. I assume they used the posh bbc accent anyway. It is pretty soothing. I could listen to the shipping weather report for hours. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it is commonly accepted that the vote was rigged: Blacks (with a perceived democrat bias) prevented from voting in some areas, faulty machinery causing the famous 'pregnant chads', a system that does not allow one man (person) one vote, but instead relies on electoral colleges and, of course, a democratic process that requires scads and scads of personal wealth and family influence before allowing anyone even to enter the "race". When was the last working class president? A long, long time ago, right? |
Hmmm...well, in case you did not know, staff members the New York Times (now a Bush bashing machine) went to Florida, and personally re-counted the votes...........Bush won.
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't know that.
How about the allegations of blacks being prevented from voting in many counties and the system of a presidency perpetuated through wealth and privilege. Isn't florida under the fealty of another Bush family member anyway?
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Warrior O'Reilly says Christianity is under attack, identifies the country's most dangerous man, and scoffs at the influence of Hillary Clinton.
Here's a sample of what O'Reilly has to say:
"The far-left smear machine is already cranked up over �Culture Warrior.' You basically have to begin with the definition of the culture war. And it's between traditionalists who believe the country is noble � America is a noble nation, we can make mistakes, but basically at the heart of our system is a nobility that makes the world a better place � and secular progressives, who believe America is a deeply flawed nation that needs a fundamental overhaul." |
I like this guy. He is on top of what is going on in America.
People should consider laying off CNN and the BBC (and MBC/NBC) and take a look what is really doing on in America.
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't know that.
How about the allegations of blacks being prevented from voting in many counties and the system of a presidency perpetuated through wealth and privilege. Isn't florida under the fealty of another Bush family member anyway? |
What about the allegatoins concering blacks in OTHER countries? Do you honeslty think that if the democrats REALLY thought the election was TRULY rigged in that way, that they would allowed Bush to stay in office?
Yes, I agree with your
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| system of a presidency perpetuated through wealth and privilege |
, but that is the way it has been for a long time. Do you want to blame that on Bush as well?
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, this thread sure went off on a tangent!
So, er, what happened to the fence pissers? |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| So, er, what happened to the fence pissers? |
In a jingley melodic tone..................
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"Don't wizz on the electric fence" |
Anybody remember what cartoon that was from?
Hint: R&S |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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What about the allegatoins concering blacks in OTHER countries? Do you honeslty think that if the democrats REALLY thought the election was TRULY rigged in that way, that they would allowed Bush to stay in office?
Yes, I agree with your
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| system of a presidency perpetuated through wealth and privilege |
, but that is the way it has been for a long time. Do you want to blame that on Bush as well?
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I'm not blaming Bush, I am replying to the notion that a constitutiuonal monarchy is in some way inferior to a presidential system. My point is that monarch or president, it is all the same; the elite will rule the masses.
I also think that shifting the argument from black disenfranchisement in US politics to the situation of black people in other countries (presumably European or Commonwealth countries) is side stepping the question. I do think there is a sizeable US community who enjoy some influence and who do believe that the Bush family is corrupt, but dislodging entrenched power is difficult. I am not comparing the US unfavourably to other countries - God knows, politicians are a scourge wherever they are from. - but the US does seem to be in a political pickle right now, whichever way you look at it.
And no, I have never pissed on an electric fence, but I did leave my car keys dangling from the ignition at the train station car park while I went to Daegu last weekend. Koreans may do dumb things, but they are not car thieves (wouldn't trust them around my bicycle or umbrella though). |
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Geckoman
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: QUEEN IS NOT JUST A FIGUREHEAD! |
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| Unlike the (yes, elected) president of the United States, Queen Elizabeth, nor any monarch since Charles II, has no official role in government decisions. The people elect the government and the government makes laws, the queen just signs them off. She has no right not to sign. |
What are you talking about? YOUR SO WRONG!
Did you know that in 1975 the Queen dimissed the democratically elected Australian Parliment.
To learn about this totally anti-democratic historical event see:
1) "Dimissed!" : http://www.oph.gov.au/dismissed/default.htm
"For many Australians the day of the dismissal is remembered as a moment of unique drama in their lives. To them, it shaped their political attitudes and changed their understanding of how the political system works in Australia."
2) Wikipedia's "Australian constitutional crisis of 1975" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_constitutional_crisis_of_1975
This incident, which occured as recently as 1975, is a wake up call to
all Commonwealth countries their respective British subjects.
The Queen has very real power over your democratically elected
governments. She can dismiss your democratically elected government
at her will. You might think: "In this day and age she would never do
that." But that's what they thought in 1975. And boy were they wrong!
The Queen's ability to dismiss a democratically elected parliment,
as she did with Australia's Parliment in 1975, is a demonstration of
just how powerful she really is. Our American president can't
even do that. Could George W. Bush, or any American president,
dismiss the democratically elected state legislature (ie. state congress)
of a state, say for example, California, if he wanted. Absolutely not!
But an additional tragedy here is that despite this action by a foreign
Queen, who was not elected by the Australians, dismissing the
democratically elected government that Australians had elected,
and proving that Australia is in fact not a "sovereign" country,
Australians did not push their country to become independent and/
or a republic. Sure Australians were outraged for a while,
but they cooled off, and settled to continue being a "colony" of England.
And that's just sad. It really is.
Not a single Commonwealth country was inspired enough by this
incident to seek independence and/or become a republic, despite the
fact that this incident proved that the Queen, whom they did not elect,
has great and very real power over their country's sovereignty,
and whom can undermine their country's democratically elected
government, and whom is willing to use this power in modern
and current times. And that's just so sad.
If your a Queen's subject from a Commonwealth country, particularly
if your from Australia, it would be nice to hear your opinion regarding
the Queen's great power over your democratically elected
government.
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| Please read some books to supplement your knowledge of the role of a constitutional monarch. |
Obviously I know what I'm talking about and you do not. I've greatly researched the British constitutional monach and know quite a lot about it. You are the one who obviously needs to get an education
regarding the British constitutional monarch.
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: Re: QUEEN IS NOT JUST A FIGUREHEAD! |
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| Unlike the (yes, elected) president of the United States, Queen Elizabeth, nor any monarch since Charles II, has no official role in government decisions. The people elect the government and the government makes laws, the queen just signs them off. She has no right not to sign. |
What are you talking about? YOUR (sic) SO WRONG! Did you know that in 1975 the Queen dimissed the democratically elected Australian Parliment.To learn about this totally anti-democratic historical event see:1) "Dimissed!" : http://www.oph.gov.au/dismissed/default.htm
"For many Australians the day of the dismissal is remembered as a moment of unique drama in their lives. To them, it shaped their political attitudes and changed their understanding of how the political system works in Australia." 2) Wikipedia's "Australian constitutional crisis of 1975" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_constitutional_crisis_of_1975
This incident, which occured as recently as 1975, is a wake up call to
all Commonwealth countries their respective British subjects.
The Queen has very real power over your democratically elected
governments. She can dismiss your democratically elected government
at her will. You might think: "In this day and age she would never do
that." But that's what they thought in 1975. And boy were they wrong!
The Queen's ability to dismiss a democratically elected parliment,
as she did with Australia's Parliment in 1975, is a demonstration of
just how powerful she really is. Our American president can't
even do that. Could George W. Bush, or any American president,
dismiss the democratically elected state legislature (ie. state congress)
of a state, say for example, California, if he wanted. Absolutely not!
But an additional tragedy here is that despite this action by a foreign
Queen, who was not elected by the Australians, dismissing the
democratically elected government that Australians had elected,
and proving that Australia is in fact not a "sovereign" country,
Australians did not push their country to become independent and/
or a republic. Sure Australians were outraged for a while,
but they cooled off, and settled to continue being a "colony" of England.
And that's just sad. It really is. Not a single Commonwealth country was inspired enough by this incident to seek independence and/or become a republic, despite the fact that this incident proved that the Queen, whom they did not elect, has great and very real power over their country's sovereignty, and whom can undermine their country's democratically elected government, and whom is willing to use this power in modern
and current times. And that's just so sad. If your (sic) a Queen's subject from a Commonwealth country, particularly if your (sic) from Australia, it would be nice to hear your opinion regarding the Queen's great power over your democratically elected government.
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| Please read some books to supplement your knowledge of the role of a constitutional monarch. |
Obviously I know what I'm talking about and you do not. I've greatly researched the British constitutional monach and know quite a lot about it. You are the one who obviously needs to get an education
regarding the British constitutional monarch.
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Yes, that is why it was called a CRISIS, and it was resolved with a GENERAL ELECTION. The government was at an impasse and the Governor General stepped in (the queen's representative). You are right it was a shameful abuse of the democratic process, but it was resolved and no one was killed. That's how we do things around these parts.
However, furthering comparisons between our monarch and your president (you started it) - constitutional crisis aside (singular) - Queen Elizabeth II is not able to take her country to a war costing tens of thousands of her subject's lives and God knows how many gazillions of dollars to settle a feud started by her father, unlike President Bush II. In WW2 the British king was actually a friend of the NAZI Party in Germany, but parliament thought differently and we did not slavishly follow the monarch's partisan line then. The current outgoing British PM made the wrong call backing Bush in Iraq, so has the Australian PM. New Zealand and Ireland (one a commonwealth nation and the other a republic) have taken their own line and stayed out of this (I think) immoral war, being a commonweallth country - or not - has made no difference in these issues of sovereignty. The only country that tries to punish NZ for staying out of the war is the US; their so called colonial masters, Queen Elizabeth and her government, have nothing to say about it.
Our monarch is a figurehead, we are no longer her 'subjects' in anything but name, we are even listed as citizens (not subjects) on our passports. The average commonwealth citizen gives little or no thought to the monarchy except for state pomp and tabloid sleaze. Wealth and power is concentrated in a small kabal both in the commonwealth and in the states; please don't think you are any more free than us, you aren't. You are really beginning to sound like the fat cow in the barn telling the beasts of the woods that your life is so much better, maybe it is if happiness is measured by consumption, but at what cost? |
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Americans Dumb? I Think Not! |
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| "in england we always say americans are the dumbest people on the planet not koreans. how can you say korea is a dumb nation, they don't have anything as dumb as jerry springer..." |
In America we don't have anything as dumb as a Queen or Royal Family.
In fact, your not even a "citizen" of the UK but a "subject" of the her royal majesty, Queen Elizabeth II. Your a "British subject," and not a "British citizen."
In fact, the Queen of England is not just a figurehead but an actual branch of government, with very real and great legal power. If you didn't know that, then hey, look at whose the dumb one. What type of country is dumb enough to not even teach its citizens, or actually, in your case, subjects, the very basic understandings of their own government.
Have you ever seen the movie "The Queen" (2007)? If not, I highly highly recommend it. It's the 21 century! The United Kingdom needs to modernize! But hey, any country whose name has the word "kingdom" in it is just dumb.
Any country that claims to be modern but is a "kingdom," with a very real undemocratically elected monarchy, and a very rigid class system -- let me know if I should be addressing you as "lord" or "duke" -- is just dumb.
Just about all technological advances, scientific breakthroughs, great achievements in social progress (over there in your kingdom you still have a very rigid class system, of which includes a Royal Family) and anything great came from one country in the world, and that country is the United States of America.
Such achievements could only came from intelligent people.
Who went to the moon in the '60s? Who invented the automobile or the atomic bomb? And the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
America, by far, has the greatest education system in the world. If not, tell me what other country can even compare with America in greatness.
If what you say is true, and the English due in fact say what you claim, it's because of their own jealousy. After all, if the English were so smart, why are they still governed by a monarch (and its not just a figurehead).
God Damn the Queen!...and other dumb things.
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you missed the point i was making
but since you want to play that game you think you don't have any royal family? how come the bush family was allowed to count the votes in Florida when George when George was running for power?
And you don't have a class system?? how come it costs hundreds of thousands to go to university? |
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periwinkle
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| So, er, what happened to the fence pissers? |
In a jingley melodic tone..................
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"Don't wizz on the electric fence" |
Anybody remember what cartoon that was from?
Hint: R&S |
Ren and Stimpy? You have an amazing memory~ |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Ren and Stimpy? You have an amazing memory~ |
Ding Ding! We have a winner!
Yep, Ren and Stimpy.
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: Re: Americans Dumb? I Think Not! |
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And you don't have a class system?? how come it costs hundreds of thousands to go to university? |
Four-year private $22,218 (a year)
Four-year public $5,836 (a year)
http://www.collegeboard.com/student/pay/add-it-up/4494.html |
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