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Drug-Testing Mandatory for EFL instructors in South Korea
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Mandatory Drug-Testing
For it
42%
 42%  [ 43 ]
Against it
57%
 57%  [ 58 ]
Total Votes : 101

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wo buxihuan hanguoren



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:
All this talk about being a parent and wanting your kid's teachers to undergo a drug test and a criminal record check, ?



You don't think that they don't do that in the West now, do you?


Doesn't matter. I want the other tests done, too - I WILL NOT have a depressed man with AIDS and dandruff that is a Buddhist go anywhere near my kid, be it in the West or Timbuktu.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind them testing for drugs as long as it's not for weed.

schrooms, X, and lsd, and coke too. and opium and DMT. and crack!

Everything else is okay.
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very disappointed with the poll results Sad
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I'm very disappointed with the poll results


Why?
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought everyone would be against mandatory drug testing. I do not understand why anyone would be for it.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say, it's neck and neck with these poll results.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki1 wrote:
I do not understand why anyone would be for it.


it's only an issue if you have something to hide.
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki1 wrote:
I would have thought everyone would be against mandatory drug testing. I do not understand why anyone would be for it.


Well I am not surprised at all. Many of us have been in the work force outside Korea. Drug testing in nothing new in the states. I don't agree that smoking weed is a bad thing but until the law changes and it should "thems" the rules.

Every job I have had since graduating has required drug testing. Personally I don't want a crack head operating on me or a nurse on X giving me meds. I also don't want a doc who raids the the Oxycontin and steals my meds to feed his habit.

If you show up hungover and reeking of liquor in the states chances are you are going to get sent home and mandatory counselling will be required.

Criminal background checks are not that uncommon especially for people working with or in close proximity with children. "Have you ever been convicted of crime?" has been on every application I have ever filled out in the states.

HIV status. Many may not agree with this but I have worked in the insurance industry and why do we treat HIV like it is so special. If you have cancer you have to reveal it to get insurance. If you have any other communicable disease you have to report it on most applications.

HIV is not a dirty secret it is a treatable illness. Like any other serious illness and now days people are living out lives that may require some meds the rest of their lives but they are living longer and healthier lives.

HIV is not a death sentence anymore. Take some precautions and there should be no reason anyone should fear you or be afraid to work around you. But we have made it this great social issue and now people treat it like a social "ill" a social "problem" instead of an illness.

In the states you are not required to tell your religion, marital status, sexuality or anything of that nature but personally I think drug testing is a good idea.

All that being said making out like smoking weed is the precursor to crack and heroin is simply stupid. I smoked when I was in college and inhaled big time. Made bongs from orange juice cans and apples. A group of stoners couldn't commit a crime if you gave them a map. Sooner or later someone would say " Dude...lets order a pizza." and that's all she wrote. Me I prefer stoners. Nicer lot in general than the jack daniels, soju driven aggression I have seen. Never ever had someone who was stoned try to smack someone around however liquored up I have seen some damn ugly violence.

The laws should be changed. If it is okay for some guy to liquor up and act like and ass then for F***'s sake make pot legal and make some damn money off taxing it.

However, if you are working stoned or drunk ....in the words of the hair freak Donald Trump....YOUR FIRED!

Jade
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Tokki1 wrote:
I do not understand why anyone would be for it.


it's only an issue if you have something to hide.

And it's an issue if ONLY the foreigner teachers are tested.
And it's an issue that Korean laws are applied to actions in other countries.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki1 wrote:
I would have thought everyone would be against mandatory drug testing. I do not understand why anyone would be for it.



Ever worked in the West? Many jobs especially those involving children require drug testing/criminal background check.

Like other people said, it's only an issue if you have something to hide. If you want the job...that's the price of admission.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki...Jaderedux said it best.

When you have been around the block...you see a logic behind testing.

Heck, I do not want a person on drugs teaching my son...thats for sure. I have nothing against someone who uses recreational drugs if his use does not have an impact on my life.

A person who will be responsible for teaching children should be clean. So, test away.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the test for drugs that bothers me, it's the lack of privacy and bad organisation employers in this country are notorious for that would scare me.

I don't use drugs in Korea, but I would still refuse to take a drug test here. Quite simply, I don't trust Korean employers competence.
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mawz



Joined: 13 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm reading this thread to see what i can get away with on my 3-week mental holiday. i'll just stay clean as a whistle, *sigh* That said, if parents knew how evil some of their kids were, maybe hagwons would start handing out joints for the weekends...well, before they call you in to work unpaid OT.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anything, the world needs to go further and further away from the American stance towards drugs. It's been proven time and time again to be a failure. Second, Florida can go *beep* itself.

Third, many people equate a puff on the joint to nothing different than a glass of wine. Look at any modern research and you'll see that there is a incredible difference between marijuana and hard drugs. It's absolutely astounding what people still believe about pot.

Most prescription drugs have much more damaging effects than pot does. However, those are controlled by multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies that have very effective government lobbyists.

Next, the reason for all of the crime due to hard drugs is not due to the drugs themselves but rather the enforcement which leads to crime. Take away the enforcement and the crime goes away. Make it legal and unprofitbale for gangsters and safe for users. Do you think the rates of hard drug use will go up? Controlled studies in Amsterdam show a no.

Personally, I wouldn't want my childrens' teacher to be addicted to crack, or meth, or coke. However, I would be very dissappointed if they had a teacher who didn't at least experiment with pot with an open mind when they were younger. I was a casual pot smoker before and I experimented with magic mushrooms, speed, and exctasy a bit. I think a strong person is someone who can experiment and have the experience, yet have the self-control to not allow it to consume their life. I hope my children have a teacher like this.

Now as far as Korea is concerned. I'm against random drug tests. I'm against any action that lumps the innocent in with the guilty and believe it to be one step away from fascism.

As for smoking in Korea I think that's a big no-no. Only because of the possible repurcussions and what that would do to my career. The last thing I need is an interview with a school district in Canada and them asking me, "Why were you deported from South Korea?"
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