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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: JIMMY CARTER OFFERS SOME MORE HOMESPUN WISDOM |
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Yes, just when you thought Jimmy Carter might be shuffling his way back to the Carter Center in Atlanta to stave off the exodus of his MidEast thinktankers, he comes out with yet another gem of advice for Washington policymakers, especially of course the Bush Administration.
At a press conference in Ireland this week Carter said the following:
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The United States, Israel and the European Union must end their policy of favoring Fatah over Hamas, or they will doom the Palestinian people to deepening conflict between the rival movements, former US President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday.
Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who was addressing a conference of Irish human rights officials, said the Bush administration�s refusal to accept the 2006 election victory of Hamas was �
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Carter said Hamas, besides winning a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdowns with the Fatah movement of Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. |
Hamas fighters routed Fatah in their violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last week. The split prompted Abbas to dissolve the power-sharing government with his rivals in Hamas and set up a Fatah-led administration to govern the West Bank.
Uh, Jimmy, those peanut fields beckon. Please do us all a favor and go home to Dixie cuz were a-fixin' to ignore you yet again.
So all you die-hard Democrats out there? What say you about your darling former President's latest remarks?
And to the rest of the board, what do you suppose has prompted Carter to start wearing a khafiya?[/quote] |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: Re: JIMMY CARTER OFFERS SOME MORE HOMESPUN WISDOM |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Yes, just when you thought Jimmy Carter might be shuffling his way back to the Carter Center in Atlanta to stave off the exodus of his MidEast thinktankers, he comes out with yet another gem of advice for Washington policymakers, especially of course the Bush Administration.
At a press conference in Ireland this week Carter said the following:
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The United States, Israel and the European Union must end their policy of favoring Fatah over Hamas, or they will doom the Palestinian people to deepening conflict between the rival movements, former US President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday.
Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who was addressing a conference of Irish human rights officials, said the Bush administration�s refusal to accept the 2006 election victory of Hamas was �criminal.�
Carter said Hamas, besides winning a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdowns with the Fatah movement of Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. |
Hamas fighters routed Fatah in their violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last week. The split prompted Abbas to dissolve the power-sharing government with his rivals in Hamas and set up a Fatah-led administration to govern the West Bank.
Uh, Jimmy, those peanut fields beckon. Please do us all a favor and go home to Dixie cuz were a-fixin' to ignore you yet again.
So all you die-hard Democrats out there? What say you about your darling former President's latest remarks?
And to the rest of the board, what do you suppose has prompted Carter to start wearing a khafiya? |
Not accusing you of any kind of spunning of your own, but do have a date to go with the quote? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| And has it not occurred to you that Carter might have a reasonable point. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Criminal?
Carter is a pompous, self-righteous ass. I might have more respect for him if he hadn't run America's foreign policy into the ground during only four years himself. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Carter was naive enough to believe that the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was in exile in Najaf, Iraq and then Paris would be more enlightened than the Shah and work for human rights and democratic uplift. His administration actually facilitated the ayatollah's return to Iran and provided it with funding until the hostage crisis.
Now I ask you: how incredibly stupid was that?
Carter has the fatal flaw of most liberals: he actually believes one can negotiate with rogue regimes and if done with good faith they will respond. That, of course, is just plain wishful thinking.
And we won't even talk about his sell-out of the Panama Canal or his belief that a moral show of force would be enough to stop the Soviets from going into Afghanistan. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Carter is a pompous, self-righteous ass. |
Well, dammit, Kuros is a pompous, self-righteous ass.
Um, I suggest you look up words before you use them. Pompous, as in full of one's self, and expecting others to bow to your greatness. Self-righteous, as in behaving as if you think you are better than other people. Sorry, I've followed Carter's career for a while, neither things apply.
Guy who had the job before him, Ford, spent his years after the White house playing golf and skiing. The guy after him, Reagan, went to Japan and got paid $5 million for a single speech.
Carter? He picked up a hammer and started building houses for people who didn't have any. Yeah, that's pretty pompous and self-righteous, alright ...
Like any president - except Bush - Carter relied on the advice of the intelligence corps, and NO ONE predicted what would happen in Iran after the fall of the Shah. NO ONE. That's the same NO ONE, by the way who were later left totally surprised by the fall of the Soviet Union, and 5 or 6 other examples of disastrous gaffes on the part of the intel community I could name.
Got no idea if his opinions about the Middle East hit the mark or even come near. He's a private citizen now, and he can say what he likes, though I suspect he has people around him who keep him better informed than people like us who say whatever is in our heads while hiding under false names ... 
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: JIMMY CARTER OFFERS SOME MORE HOMESPUN WISDOM |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Yes, just when you thought Jimmy Carter might be shuffling his way back to the Carter Center in Atlanta to stave off the exodus of his MidEast thinktankers, he comes out with yet another gem of advice for Washington policymakers, especially of course the Bush Administration.
At a press conference in Ireland this week Carter said the following:
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The United States, Israel and the European Union must end their policy of favoring Fatah over Hamas, or they will doom the Palestinian people to deepening conflict between the rival movements, former US President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday.
Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who was addressing a conference of Irish human rights officials, said the Bush administration�s refusal to accept the 2006 election victory of Hamas was �
.�
Carter said Hamas, besides winning a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdowns with the Fatah movement of Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. |
Hamas fighters routed Fatah in their violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last week. The split prompted Abbas to dissolve the power-sharing government with his rivals in Hamas and set up a Fatah-led administration to govern the West Bank.
Uh, Jimmy, those peanut fields beckon. Please do us all a favor and go home to Dixie cuz were a-fixin' to ignore you yet again.
So all you die-hard Democrats out there? What say you about your darling former President's latest remarks?
And to the rest of the board, what do you suppose has prompted Carter to start wearing a khafiya? |
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He's right, you're wrong. Par. You're a dishonest man. Why do you feel such a need to misrepresent those whom you disagree with? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Carter was naive enough to believe that the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was in exile in Najaf, Iraq and then Paris would be more enlightened than the Shah and work for human rights and democratic uplift. His administration actually facilitated the ayatollah's return to Iran and provided it with funding until the hostage crisis.
Now I ask you: how incredibly stupid was that? |
Hmmm.... given it was Reagan who traitorously worked with the Ayatolla to engineer the return of the hostages till after the election, I have a hard time with your take, stevie. Given the subsequent Iran-Contra affair... yet another illegal action which should have resulted in impeachment... Where is your venom for the traitorous actions of Reagan/Bush? Now, you got any facts to back up your spittle? Links on Carter's policy toward Iran? Non-neo-con only, please. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Carter? He picked up a hammer and started building houses for people who didn't have any. Yeah, that's pretty pompous and self-righteous, alright ... |
So he's done some good. I didn't say he was a poor humanitarian. I said he's a pompous, self-righteous ass. This isn't the first time Carter has spoken out.
The guy was a hayseed. He filled his cabinet when he was President with a bunch of his buddies from Georgia. I'm sorry, but Habitat for Humanity doesn't erase the bad things he's done.
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| He's a private citizen now, and he can say what he likes, though I suspect he has people around him who keep him better informed than people like us who say whatever is in our heads while hiding under false names ... |
Speak for yourself. I'm pretty well informed for a private citizen, thank you very much. But you've missed the point entirely, its his judgment that is under-fire. Once again, I didn't call him ignorant.
Bobster, you're pretty self-righteous and pompous yourself, lecturing me on the definitions of English words. I used the words correctly. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| If Carter had won the 1980 election we'd all be speaking Farsi(Persian). |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| [Bobster, you're pretty self-righteous and pompous yourself, lecturing me on the definitions of English words. I used the words correctly. |
Then you obviously don't know anything about Jimmy Carter. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
Um, I suggest you look up words before you use them. Pompous, as in full of one's self, and expecting others to bow to your greatness. Self-righteous, as in behaving as if you think you are better than other people. Sorry, I've followed Carter's career for a while, neither things apply. |
It might just be a simple case of "projection" by Steve Garrett onto Jimmy. So Stevo, are you pompous, buddy? Book em Danno!   |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| [Bobster, you're pretty self-righteous and pompous yourself, lecturing me on the definitions of English words. I used the words correctly. |
Then you obviously don't know anything about Jimmy Carter. |
I know enough. I also know that almost every ex-President works for humanitarian causes once out of the office. Bob Dole, who was never elected President, also has been actively involved in charity. What does that say about his political acumen or judgement? Nothing really. Although it helps his image in my mind that he hasn't recently published some silly pusillanimous and naive screed on the Palestinian-Israeli situation. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
| It might just be a simple case of "projection" by Steve Garrett onto Jimmy. |
He must have heard a new rant on Limbaugh today... |
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