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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| I would like to concur "wingnut" is not an insult. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Where is IGTG? Hasnt been around lately...Maybe EFLtrainer is his sock puppet, both seem to suffer from the same paranoid schizophrenia...
he makes me look civil by comparison |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I can attest the ELFish one is not the same person as IggyTiggy. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| More integration of our economies and policies? I don't see the problem. Free trade brought great economic prosperity to Canada. |
Simple is as simple does.. |
This might be what MM2 is talking about....
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| enns wrote: |
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| Hell, I'm not even clear what this thread is about... is it a pro or con on GW? |
I found this quote in the 17,000 scientists thread. This is just one more random example of your deficiency on some subjects you claim to have researched. How could anyone not have been aware of the 17,000 scientist list prior to it being posted on Dave's, it's common knowledge on both sides of the debate.
Am I still a liar, son? |
Yes. You are making a fallacious argument. You know this, thus, you are lying. I've read extensively on global warming. I can discuss it with you in detail. That list is of zero consequence in the debate. ZERO. Perhaps the intelligent people following the issue don't bother discussing it for that reason. I've never even read/heard about it in passing reference, let alone in any significant way. That you think people should be aware of something of no consequence, and would deride them for not knowing of something of no consequence from among a huge catalogue of important data, just adds to your already-poor performance on this thread. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Elf, you really are one for the books. I mentioned you ONCE in my first post and even gave you a compliment for making me burst out laughing. A backhanded compliment but a compliment nonetheless. |
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| A backhanded compliment or left-handed compliment or asteism is an insult disguised as a compliment. It is generally used to belittle or condescend, or often one uses a backhanded compliment when one wants to insult someone in a subtle way. [1] |
So, you insult in your first post, then blame me for the ill will?
Again, brilliant.
As far as Dobbin goes, again, it matters not if he's a if he's a cross-dressing working girl the Vegas strip. What matters is what he wrote in that piece. Nothing he said is incorrect, but everything he said can be seen from various angles. Because you disagree with his take the facts he presented are bull? THAT'S bull.
It is a sign of a small mind to dismiss people for who they are rather than what they write.
You accused me of doing this. I have not. Every person who I have posted about re: GW, for example, I have looked at their work and the critiques of it and the new research that sheds new light on it.
The issue of atmospheric warming and the fellow from Atlanta, for example. Yes, he is/was funded by Exxon... and others. Yes, he did research that made it seem the atmosphere was cooling. Yes, people took it seriously. BUT, it was found, circa 2005 (I have the article bookmarked somewhere), that some of the radiosondes they took the data from were not properly insulated and that skewed the data. Once that was corrected for, no more cooling.
Further, I NEVER dismissed him nor his work. I did point to his motivations with regard to Exxon, etc.
You want to keep repeating the lie, I suggest you cut and paste. You want to be considered honest, don't lie. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| How in the world could you not have heard of that list before? You can argue that only 12,000 of the 17,000 are valid, or that the entire list is bunk. But to not have heard of it before? When I debate, I at least understand the information my opponents are using, not to do so is irresponsible. That list had been mentioned in nearly every political book and debate surrounding global warming in the past few years. The fact that you are defending your ignorance is absurd. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| How in the world could you not have heard of that list before? You can argue that only 12,000 of the 17,000 are valid, or that the entire list is bunk. But to not have heard of it before? When I debate, I at least understand the information my opponents are using, not to do so is irresponsible. That list had been mentioned in nearly every political book and debate surrounding global warming in the past few years. The fact that you are defending your ignorance is absurd. |
Enns, you are being irresponsible. You are using the appeal to authority fallacy. I don't need to have heard of, read, looked at, sneezed on, nor otherwise interacted with that list to know it means NOTHING to the issue of climate change.
You are attempting to equate not knowing of an irrelevant factoid with not being familiar with a discussion. Let me further illustrate the ridiculous nature of your fallacial thinking: Do you think every scientist involved in the climate change debate has read every paper put out on the subject? There are thousands of them. No, they haven't. It doesn't work that way, which you know. Or should.
Now, have YOU read every paper and article on climate change? No. You have not. Oh, MY GOD!!! You do not belong in the conversation!
The list is irrelevant and you think I need to know about it? Ridiculous.
This is what deniers do: they obfuscate because the facts are overwhelming. You do your job well. Foolishly, but well.
You won't be wasting more of my time. If you've got something to add involving facts, data, reports, please do ad them. Otherwise, you will be ignored.
By the way, do you know how many scientists there are on the planet? Many millions. Put that on your list and see how significant it seems. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: |
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You won't be wasting more of my time. If you've got something to add involving facts, data, reports, please do ad them. Otherwise, you will be ignored.
By the way, do you know how many scientists there are on the planet? Many millions. Put that on your list and see how significant it seems. |
If your going to ignore 'em how are they supposed to answer your questions? |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| ELF, you still don't see my point. I don't agree with that list either, but I had heard about it before Dave's. Even if you only watch CNN or read a newspaper once a week, you still should have heard of this list. You must be sheltered from the media to not have at least come across it in passing. I only point this out because I wonder if it's an anomaly or indicative of your overall base of knowledge. If it's the latter, then your credibility on current events is ridden with gaps. Clear this up. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| enns wrote: |
| ELF, you still don't see my point. I don't agree with that list either, but I had heard about it before Dave's. Even if you only watch CNN or read a newspaper once a week, you still should have heard of this list. You must be sheltered from the media to not have at least come across it in passing. I only point this out because I wonder if it's an anomaly or indicative of your overall base of knowledge. If it's the latter, then your credibility on current events is ridden with gaps. Clear this up. |
enns, you are making logical mistake after logical mistake. This one, at least, is a finally coherent statement of what you were trying to say.
You are still completely wrong. You are still using faulty logic. I have made this clear. Given that I research on the topic of climate change on a daily basis, your contention that I am "sheltered" is a tad ridiculous.
I reiterate for you one last time:
1. any one piece of information in the vast puzzle is not likely to mean much.
2. A list that is inherently meaningless is a measure of my exposure?
3. I have posted more on this topic on these forums than anyone else. Period.
4. That you think exposure to one meaningless list could possibly be a meaningful marker of overall knowledge and understanding of this topic speaks to your ability to engage, not mine.
Done.
You want to test me? Go ahead. Or, you could save yourself the trouble and go read the other climate change threads and disabuse yourself of this ridiculous notion. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| I thought I was being ignored? |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
When we decided we needed oil, we went to Iraq and did what we had to do.
When we decide we need water and wood, watch out. |
But why bomb it when you can buy it? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| enns wrote: |
| How in the world could you not have heard of that list before? You can argue that only 12,000 of the 17,000 are valid, or that the entire list is bunk. But to not have heard of it before? When I debate, I at least understand the information my opponents are using, not to do so is irresponsible. That list had been mentioned in nearly every political book and debate surrounding global warming in the past few years. The fact that you are defending your ignorance is absurd. |
Enns, you are being irresponsible. You are using the appeal to authority fallacy. I don't need to have heard of, read, looked at, sneezed on, nor otherwise interacted with that list to know it means NOTHING to the issue of climate change. |
That's not the [improper] appeal to authority fallacy. The fallacy simply states the person has tried to support his argument by appealing to an authority in an improper way.
Improper: "My cancer doctor is a very smart fellow and says the Honda Galapagos is a great car!"
Proper: "My cancer doctor says I have cancer."
He is pointing out your fallacy of inconsistency. You expect people debating with you who ask you to support a point to be intimately familiar with ever possible issue and then you refuse to answer on the grounds the person is not adequately informed. You, however, demonstrate you're not familiar with a rather high profile bit of crap being put forward by the global warming denial crowd. (I should note I was the one who schooled you on it.)
Anyway regarding your link:
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/06/08/DeepIntegrate/
I really don't see any problem if my government moved on those issues and implemented them. And the author's evidence is extremely weak:
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| David Dodge, the head of the Bank of Canada, told a Chicago audience that a single currency for North America "is possible." |
That's laughable in terms of evidence. Quote mining.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
When we decided we needed oil, we went to Iraq and did what we had to do.
When we decide we need water and wood, watch out. |
But why bomb it when you can buy it? |
We Canadians have generally agreed you can buy Canada for the price of $1 million per citizen, paid directly to each citizen. |
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