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Tiger Beer
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happeningthang
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That sleazy c*nt. Sorry people, but there's no other way to put it.
Black people, and paedophiles and I'll put a stop to it here with the army no less, all to pander to a well established set of phobias just before the election.
Unspeakable trash is leading my country. I am not happy. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to ban alcohol for Aborigines |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070621/ap_on_re_au_an/australia_aborigines
Banning something for a group of people based on race? |
Dude, it's not so long ago that said ban was lifted in your fatherland.
A more appropriate, compassionate and social justice way would be cutting welfare off for the human refuse who drop welafre money on porn and booze. They would be better off that way. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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The PM is a douchebag, there's no doubting that but in Canada we have dry Aboriginal communities, of course they immediately turn to huffing gas and glue so this won't stop anything.
And the paternalism is really disgusting but i don't expect anything less from that little troll who runs the place. |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee
Joined: 17 Jun 2007
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| I guess the difference in Canada though is that the First Nations communities choose to be dry and alcohol-free nowadays rather than have the feds decide for them. Just a side question for any Aussies, but how much political power do aboriginal communities in Australia have? |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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You think the PM would try to fix this problem instead
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| Though many found employment in the cattle and sheep industries, they were paid less than whites, sometimes working just for rations. Unable to achieve economic independence, many have become welfare dependent. |
So even people who work hard are discriminated against and go on welfare because they aren't paid the same wage as their White counterparts. That should be fixed instead of this ridiculous "Let's take away the alcohol and porn" fix which won't work.
Offer treatment programs for people who are ready to clean up, provide more funds to the police force, better educate THE CHILDREN about protecting themselves and going to a trusted adult when something like this happens.
There are so many options and ways to address this problem and Howard simply picked the one that would get him the most publicity...sad, very sad. |
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darkhorse_NZ
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: South Korea
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| I hate that child abuse crap, it's tempting to just go in there and blast the lot. |
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deadman
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Location: Suwon
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A more productive long term solution would be to invest in programs and facilities to teach traditional knowledge, culture and languages.
Giving this sort of education to younger generations can give them back their sense of identity and begin to reverse some of the social problems in these communities.
I had a friend from the US whose post graduate study was in that area. She worked with Native Americans. I'm surprised it hasn't been seriously proposed in Australia. Maybe it has, I don't know. |
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manlyboy
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Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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I'm from Darwin. Those of you who have never been to the N.T and seen the pitiful state of aboriginal communities with your own eyes need to STFU.
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Welfare payments will be linked to school attendance and half of "sit-down money'' will be quarantined for food.
Fifty extra police will be brought in from interstate to help restore law and order on indigenous communities.
"We have a national emergency here in the same way as when the (Indian Ocean) tsunami swept in on Boxing Day (2004).''
The Australian Crime Commission will be told to hunt down pedophiles.
The Australian Medical Association will be encouraged to send enough doctors to communities to give every indigenous child a thorough health check.
A sexual abuse reporting desk will be set up.
Housing will be improved and Aboriginal people will have to pay market rents and sign normal tenancy agreements.
Community members will be "marshalled'' to clean up their own townships.
The NT Government will be expected to draw up a strategy to halt the "rivers of grog'' flowing into Aboriginal communities.
The Territory Government was not consulted about Canberra's dramatic intervention. But Chief Minister Clare Martin welcomed the shake-up.
The takeover of Territory communities will be overseen by a taskforce of eminent Australians, led by magistrate Sue Gordon, chairwoman of the National Indigenous Council and author of the 2002 Gordon Report into Aboriginal child abuse in Western Australia.
Mr Howard said he made no apology for overriding Territory laws.
"We are dealing with children of the tenderest age who have been exposed to the most terrible abuse from the time of their birth, virtually,'' he said.
"It is interventionist, it does push aside the role of the Territory to some degree -- I accept that.
"But what matters more, the constitutional niceties or the care and protection of young children?''
Prime Minister John Howard said the Federal Government had stepped in because the Territory Government had failed to act on evidence of systemic child abuse in communities. |
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2007/06/22/1339_ntnews.html |
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thepeel
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A more productive long term solution would be to invest in programs and facilities to teach traditional knowledge, culture and languages.
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So, your solution is educational segregation with a smile? |
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jinju
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| Oh stop with this PC crapola. This is yet again another example of leftist crap gone overboard to the point where you are actually saying that the aboriginees should continue to be allowed to nosedive towards oblivion. Without intervention the aboriginals are going to drink themselves into extinction. The community is one big freaking mess. Their alcoholism is leading to massive abuses of children. Is this totally politcally incorrect? Sure. Is what the OZ government plans to do RIGHT? Damn right. if the aboriginees are so far gone that they cant help themselves then guess what, they need someone to step in and clean them up. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| deadman wrote: |
A more productive long term solution would be to invest in programs and facilities to teach traditional knowledge, culture and languages.
Giving this sort of education to younger generations can give them back their sense of identity and begin to reverse some of the social problems in these communities.
I had a friend from the US whose post graduate study was in that area. She worked with Native Americans. I'm surprised it hasn't been seriously proposed in Australia. Maybe it has, I don't know. |
Without radical intervention now this community doesnt have a long term. Whats gonna happen in the future if something isnt done NOW? The kids will all be scarred by the sexual abuses they have been subjected to because their parents are too fucking drunk to give a crap. It may not be PC but its obvious these people are unable to manage their lives. If it takes big brother to step in and do something, then thats what it takes. Sometimes a little, or a lot, non-PC, discriminatory treatment is just the medicine thats needed. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
A more productive long term solution would be to invest in programs and facilities to teach traditional knowledge, culture and languages.
Giving this sort of education to younger generations can give them back their sense of identity and begin to reverse some of the social problems in these communities.
I had a friend from the US whose post graduate study was in that area. She worked with Native Americans. I'm surprised it hasn't been seriously proposed in Australia. Maybe it has, I don't know. |
Without radical intervention now this community doesnt have a long term. Whats gonna happen in the future if something isnt done NOW? The kids will all be scarred by the sexual abuses they have been subjected to because their parents are too *beep* drunk to give a crap. It may not be PC but its obvious these people are unable to manage their lives. If it takes big brother to step in and do something, then thats what it takes. Sometimes a little, or a lot, non-PC, discriminatory treatment is just the medicine thats needed. |
A lot of communities already restrict access to alcohol, and with good reason. The novel thing in the article seems to restrict their access to pornography as well, which seems to be saying that the root cause of the child molestation is access to pornography. That seems way too simplistic. Hell, maybe it's caused by lack of access to pornography!
First, these measures won't solve anything. Nice to imagine some grand benevolent intervention will make all their problems go away, but if that was all it takes, it would have been solved long ago.
Second, of course these communities will be around long term. Lack of irresponsible fornication is not one of their problems. Sure their education, life expectancy, family stability will all decrease, but that's all the more reason to divert some of the buckets of money already thrown at the problem into projects that will have a long term positive effect. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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A more productive long term solution would be to invest in programs and facilities to teach traditional knowledge, culture and languages.
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So, your solution is educational segregation with a smile? |
Well, I imagined it would supplement their current education, not replace it.
Do you object to keeping alive and passing on traditional knowledge?
Are you worried it will interfere with their assimilation?
By the way, to Jinju--> I don't propose this because it's PC, but because I think it makes intuitive sense (I'm no expert). I think one problem younger generations of indigenous people face is a feeling of having no identity. In Australia's case, they were stripped of their culture (thanks to the "assimilation" policy), and are rejected by mainstream society - no wonder they have problems with substance abuse etc. Educating them in their traditional culture might start to incrementally restore dignity and stability to their character. |
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thepeel
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| Well, I imagined it would supplement their current education, not replace it. |
I think one of the major problems is that they are not being educated. Adding more education to the existing education in the hopes of educating them when they are already not participating in education is naive, at best. If they drop out at 14-16, and don't really attend in any meaningful way before that, you can teach them whatever you want. It isn't going to change anything.
Perhaps this issue is deeper than superficial changes (along predictable mulitcult lines) to the education system.
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| Do you object to keeping alive and passing on traditional knowledge? |
As opposed to what, real knowledge? What is "traditional knowledge" and how does it differ from "knowledge"? Sorry, but this sounds like tripe to me. Rather then a bunch of guilt-ridden whites teaching them about their "traditional" culture, perhaps it would be best just to expect from them what you would any Australian kid.
Will "traditional knowledge" get them jobs? Is "traditional knowledge" valued on a construction site or a fishing boat?
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| Are you worried it will interfere with their assimilation? |
Are they being assimilated at all? I don't know, but if the situation is at all similar to Canada, assimilation is a far away dream. Sobriety first, and maybe one or two two parent households to start. A very reasonable goal would be a statistically significant reduction in domestic violence, sexual abuse, violence, general thuggery, addiction and unemployment over a 10 year period. How this will be done, I don't know.
That said, prohibition will not prevent consumption, and will likely increase the criminality surrounding alcohol consumption as a black market will develop. The only way to fully resolve a dispute in a black market is with violence, so I suppose those cities with large Aboriginal populations ought to prepare for a dramatic upswing in violence. |
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