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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

dmbfan wrote:

But, FOXnews is not really conservative........they are in the middle. Which, compared to a far left nut job, comes off as conservative.

This is... just bizarre. The single most partisan "media" outlet on the planet this side of VoA and Pravda is "in the middle?"

dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject:

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People like you are why most Europeans think we're retarded. Fox news is very conservative, the truth is that most of the media is middle of the road, with a slight left slant. There are not many real 'liberals' on the television or in the main stream media, certainly not counter parts to people like Limbaugh or the she-devil Ann Coulture.

You also realize that most teachers are liberals too, don't you? That's why you came on here with this crap trying to pick a fight

Not too many liberals on the television? Are you high?

You actually care what Europeans think? Wow Shocked

Nope, nobody is trying to pick a fight, and I realize that most people on this forum are liberal. However, the reactions by some are proving that many liberals can't stand to hear from anyone that is NOT a liberal. And, so what if FOX news is conservative (which it is not)...is that a crime? Is it a crime to be none other then a far left wingnut?

dmbfan

Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Liberal Media?

Bear256 wrote:

There has been a link on the Drudge Report the past couple of days that news reporters break 9-1 in favor of the left in their political giving. Of course, reporters don't have any personal bias when they report (that was sarcasm for you intellectually challenged among us).

It said:

Whether you sample your news feed from ABC or CBS (or, yes, even NBC and MSNBC), whether you prefer Fox News Channel or National Public Radio, The Wall Street Journal or The New Yorker, some of the journalists feeding you are also feeding cash to politicians, parties or political action committees.

MSNBC.com identified 144 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

The link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485

Off of msnbc to boot!

Yes, becuz we all know that the journalists are the ones who dictate the news.

This is one of those old arguments which clearly shows that the media is liberal, when in fact it doesn't matter. It only matters who's at the top and who directs the news organization.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject:

dmbfan wrote:

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I think what he's saying is that if the watchers are split evenly between conservative and liberal in who they want to watch, then (as an example, not accurate in numbers) that liberal half have maybe 5 media outlets to satisfy their bias, while the conservative half has (again, an example, may not be accurate) 1 outlet (FOX/ O' Reilly) to satisfy their bias.

So if the liberal media has to split that 50% five ways, then each gets only 10% while FOX/O'Reilly gets the all of the other half because there aren't any other sources to share the watchers with.

And that means, of course O'Reilly is going to have a larger share, he doesn't have any competition among the conservative media.

I know this isn't accurate in numbers or names, I limited it in order to explain JMO's idea as best as I understood it.

But, FOXnews is not really conservative........they are in the middle. Which, compared to a far left nut job, comes off as conservative.

dmbfan

We've already been over this several times. Fox news is very conservative, with a pronounced far right neo con agenda. They are not even a news program, they are a neo con propaganda machine. CNN is a centrist organisation with high journalistic standards and integrity.

Here's some "news" for ya ... if you think CNN is a liberal news organisation, you are a rabid neo con ...

Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:33 am Post subject:

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high journalistic standards and integrity

They're a bunch of sensationalistic airheads.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:13 am Post subject:

Saxiif wrote:

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high journalistic standards and integrity

They're a bunch of sensationalistic airheads.

Some people think Saxiif is not a very clever boy ...

Last edited by Satori on Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:21 am; edited 1 time in total

insam

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:32 am Post subject:

the words 'conservative' and 'liberal' have very little meaning these days and each are shrouded in mystery and hyperbole. i would love to see o'reilly et al boil in a large vat of hot feces. still, which topics are you referring to when you say 'liberal' or whatever? with regard to economy, 'liberal' would refer to a free market economy e.g. in line with many so-called 'conservative' groups. if history were a static and monolithic enterprise, then these terms would have more meaning. just simply say exactly what you mean and stop hiding behind name-calling and implementing aggressive demeanors. in the context of contemporary usage, there are no major high-profile 'liberal' journalists. they are all employed by the same corporate conglomeration we call 'the man'.

bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:07 am Post subject:

[quote="dmbfan"]

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Not too many liberals on the television? Are you high?

You actually care what Europeans think? Wow Shocked

This wasn't how it went down between 2001 and 2003 when you were trying to recruit European nations to fight in Afghanistan and to illegally invade Iraq.

"Please join the 'coalition of he willing' we neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed you pleeeeeeeeeeeease' that bad man has weapons of mass destruction!
Castro, Hussein, Kim Il Jong... they are the axis of evil... we'll show 'em
but can you help us because we can't do it on our own"

The more morally corrupt like the Blair goverment joined in with your warmongering goverment in their latter day attempts at colonialization.

Anyway my brother is about to do another tour out there in Iraq. I think you should take his place. Evil or Very Mad

he can sit on his arse playing hangman all day with 5 year olds while you can go out and get your arse shot off
in Basra.. a fair exchange and with any luck the IQ of the planet will rise 70 points. Cool

dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:

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Well, you have graciously proved a point in regards to those who don't agree with left wing liberals. You insult them. I mean, there is a difference between the jab, but....yeah, you have definately resorted to insults. Hey man, whatever floats your boat...how small it may be.

In regards to your brother, well hey...I support our troops. I was one in fact...United States Marine Corps. However, I got hurt during some training, and I am unable to go back. So if I could, I probably would. But, more importantly...what does he have to do with this topic? Rather, what made you decide to involve him in this debate?

If you want to talk about the war, then lets start a new thread. However, I will say this. The United States shared the same intelligence information that Britian, France, Germany and Russia had. They all agreed. But, what you did NOT read in the papers is that before the invasion of Iraq, German, Russian and French forces were already there...gaurding trains that were heading to Syria. The content was suspected to be weapons that needed to be taken out of Iraq before the allies came through.

In regard to your "axis of evil" comment..........get your shite straight, man. I did not make that statement. Although, I do agree that two out of those three are evil.

Perhaps you should take a little more pride in the fact that the United States is pretty much the only country that does take a stance on some things, rather then sit on the sidelines and point fingers at everyone else?

In regards to your definitions of the word 'liberal', well I can't say that I totally disagree. However, the difference is, is when those that don't share the points of view are scolded, that is when prejudice sets in. And, there is a difference between left wingnut liberals, and straigh up liberals. When those in power in of the media....liberals....are trying to influence their way of thinking on the public....there is something wrong with that. Granted, that would happen if right wing radicals were behind the influence...but they are not.

So, if it really makes you feel better to insult me for sharing information on O'reilly, and if you are compelled to bring your brothers situation into this argument, then do what you need to do. But, I am not going to apologize for my views. I don't expect you, or anyone else here to either. However, don't involve me with your brother's situation. I have nothing to do with that, and taking your anger about that situation out on me is not going to help you, or bring him home.

Cheers.

dmbfan

P.S. ......."dumbfan"? Um.........is that the best you can come up with?

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject:

dmbfan wrote:

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Well, you have graciously proved a point in regards to those who don't agree with left wing liberals. You insult them. I mean, there is a difference between the jab, but....yeah, you have definately resorted to insults. Hey man, whatever floats your boat...how small it may be.

In regards to your brother, well hey...I support our troops. I was one in fact...United States Marine Corps. However, I got hurt during some training, and I am unable to go back. So if I could, I probably would. But, more importantly...what does he have to do with this topic? Rather, what made you decide to involve him in this debate?

If you want to talk about the war, then lets start a new thread. However, I will say this. The United States shared the same intelligence information that Britian, France, Germany and Russia had. They all agreed. But, what you did NOT read in the papers is that before the invasion of Iraq, German, Russian and French forces were already there...gaurding trains that were heading to Syria. The content was suspected to be weapons that needed to be taken out of Iraq before the allies came through.

In regard to your "axis of evil" comment..........get your *beep* straight, man. I did not make that statement. Although, I do agree that two out of those three are evil.

Perhaps you should take a little more pride in the fact that the United States is pretty much the only country that does take a stance on some things, rather then sit on the sidelines and point fingers at everyone else?

In regards to your definitions of the word 'liberal', well I can't say that I totally disagree. However, the difference is, is when those that don't share the points of view are scolded, that is when prejudice sets in. And, there is a difference between left wingnut liberals, and straigh up liberals. When those in power in of the media....liberals....are trying to influence their way of thinking on the public....there is something wrong with that. Granted, that would happen if right wing radicals were behind the influence...but they are not.

So, if it really makes you feel better to insult me for sharing information on O'reilly, and if you are compelled to bring your brothers situation into this argument, then do what you need to do. But, I am not going to apologize for my views. I don't expect you, or anyone else here to either. However, don't involve me with your brother's situation. I have nothing to do with that, and taking your anger about that situation out on me is not going to help you, or bring him home.

Cheers.

dmbfan

P.S. ......."dumbfan"? Um.........is that the best you can come up with?

This bull that they "shared" all the intel is complete crap. The Office Of Special Operations was CREATING intel. Further, any intel against going into Iraq was ignored, discredited, slandered and suppressed. Bush knew there were no fuel tubes and he knew there was no yellow cake.

You need to go back and McClatchy's reporting on Iraq pre-war. Also, check out Dennis Kucinich's pre-war report and comments on the floor of Congress.

The only intel that mattered at all was that being done by the weapons inspectors. They had a 95% certainty that there were no WMDs and asked for ONLY 3 to 6 more months. There is no way to justify not allowing them to finish. The reason Bush did not let them finish was simple: He knew there were none. They weren't the reason for invasion.

Your view is based solely on propaganda.

dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:

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IF...YOU...WANT....TO...DISUCSS...THE WAR...THEN...START...ANOTHER...THREAD...

My view is based on progaganda.........perhaps. I, nor you, knows exactly what happend. However, do you not find it odd that the three most outspoken countries (France, Germany, and Russia) against the war were the ones that were already there? There hands were in the cookie jar as well.

Oh, and lets not forget..........how many articles set by the U.N. did Saddam break or violate?

This (not you) is an example of left wing liberal influence. This is creating fuel for the enemy to use against the U.S. and its allies........simple formula and they are using it rather well.

Lets say the U.S. pulls out of Iraq right now. What do you think would happen?

dmbfan

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject:

[quote="dmbfan"]

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IF...YOU...WANT....TO...DISUCSS...THE WAR...THEN...START...ANOTHER...THREAD...

Uh.... no.

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I, nor you, knows exactly what happend.

Non-responsive. I, in fact, do. Everyone does who cares to pick up a newspaper, do some web surfing, or listen to a radio... as long as their head is not firmly up their arse. We know Iraq was attacked under false pretenses. Period.

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However, do you not find it odd that the three most outspoken countries (France, Germany, and Russia) against the war were the ones that were already there? There hands were in the cookie jar as well.

If true, it is irrelevant. They were checking for WMDs? And that's supposed to be equal to invasion? No. The UN had a mandate to look for WMDs... a mandate the Cadre cut off without reason 3 months before completion and when the lead investigator had already concluded it was almost certain there were no WMDs.

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Oh, and lets not forget..........how many articles set by the U.N. did Saddam break or violate?

Irrelevant.

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This (not you) is an example of left wing liberal influence. This is creating fuel for the enemy to use against the U.S. and its allies........simple formula and they are using it rather well.

What is? The truth?

Rolling Eyes

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Lets say the U.S. pulls out of Iraq right now. What do you think would happen?

What has happened is what I said would happen. What WOULD happen? Now? Well, if they had pulled out two years ago you would have seen the violence halt almost immediately; the government set about becoming representative; the oil helping to rebuild a needlessly shattered nation.

What you would see now? A large drop in violence. An extended period of uneasy, sporadic violence over the sharing of resources and a slow build to a weak central government or the eventual splitting of the nation via a full civil war.

What you will see instead is: a decades long conflict with the US at the core while Big oil siphons off the profits that should be going to rebuilding Iraq.

dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject:

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IF...YOU...WANT....TO...DISUCSS...THE WAR...THEN...START...ANOTHER...THREAD...

Uh.... no.

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I, nor you, knows exactly what happend.

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You KNOW about as much as the next person...

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However, do you not find it odd that the three most outspoken countries (France, Germany, and Russia) against the war were the ones that were already there? There hands were in the cookie jar as well.

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How is that irrelevant? Or, some just don't wish to acknowledge it? Fair enough.

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Oh, and lets not forget..........how many articles set by the U.N. did Saddam break or violate?

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Irrelevant.

Right, back to not wanting to acknowledge that again.

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This (not you) is an example of left wing liberal influence. This is creating fuel for the enemy to use against the U.S. and its allies........simple formula and they are using it rather well.

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What is? The truth?

Yes, it is true. It is true that the far left wing is in fact helping the enemy.

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Lets say the U.S. pulls out of Iraq right now. What do you think would happen?

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A large drop in violence or a full civil war.............My guess is that there would be a slaughter if the U.S. pulled out now.

dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject:

Dam quote functions....

newteacher

Joined: 31 May 2007

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:52 am Post subject:

dmbfan wrote:

This (not you) is an example of left wing liberal influence. This is creating fuel for the enemy to use against the U.S. and its allies........simple formula and they are using it rather well.

dmbfan

Wow, this is a typical neo-con ploy. You disagree and expose our lies, so you're unpatriotic and are basically supporting terrorism. You should really stop watching Fox News, you seem a little brainwashed and are basically advocating censorship with statements like that.

You should watch this video to see what your favorite news channel is really all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuorIjt1HG0

Here's one of Rupert Murdoch admitting he used Fox News to try to shape public opinion to the administration's views instead of just reporting, which by the way is what real journalists are supposed to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9HpuZm6-g

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