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Is Cheney trying to be a di#k?

 
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yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Is Cheney trying to be a di#k? Reply with quote

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/22/cheney.documents/index.html#

How much is it going to take or have americans just given up and are waiting for the next election?
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Durbin Does Cheney

The Method to Cheney's Madness

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By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, June 22, 2007; 2:32 PM

Why, in 2003, did Vice President Cheney suddenly become so dead-set against reporting how his office handled government secrets?

Cheney's refusal to abide by reporting requirements that apply to everyone else in the Bush administration -- and the audacity of his excuse, that because he is also president of the Senate, his office is not really within the executive branch -- led to a bunch of unflattering front-page headlines this morning.

But let's assume there's a method to his madness. Perhaps Cheney is rejecting this oversight because he doesn't want people to know what he and his aides have been doing with classified information. Or perhaps he believes in principle that he shouldn't be subject to constraints that apply to others in the executive branch. Maybe both. I'm betting on both.

Cheney's particular sensitivity to releasing information about his handling of government secrets is not exactly surprising. And while he apparently had no problem filing reports in 2001 and 2002, he stopped doing so in 2003 -- a game-changing year in a lot of ways.

As I wrote in my March 31, 2006, column, investigative reporter Murray Waas has developed a compelling case that the use and abuse of classified information has been key to the White House's success not only in contriving a bogus case for war in Iraq, but in keeping charges of deception from becoming a major issue in the 2004 election -- and, arguably, to this day. Time and time again, in a strategy that most likely owes its existence to Cheney, the White House has selectively leaked or declassified secret intelligence findings that served its political agenda -- while aggressively asserting the need to keep secret the information that would tend to discredit it.

Bush did not change the requirement that federal agencies report at least once a year on their implementation of those policies. Nor did he change the definition of who was covered by the reporting requirements. That continued to include any "entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information."

...And let's not forget the elephant in the room. As Josh Meyer writes in the Los Angeles Times today: "According to documents released Thursday by a House committee, Cheney's staff has blocked efforts by the National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office to enforce a key component of the presidential order: a mandatory on-site inspection of the vice president's office. At least one of those inspections would have come at a particularly delicate time -- when Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, and other aides were under criminal investigation for their suspected roles in leaking the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame."...


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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Re: Is Cheney trying to be a di#k? Reply with quote

yawarakaijin wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/22/cheney.documents/index.html#

How much is it going to take or have americans just given up and are waiting for the next election?


Yes we believe in elections.

Coups are messy things.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
Durbin Does Cheney

The Method to Cheney's Madness

Quote:
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, June 22, 2007; 2:32 PM

Why, in 2003, did Vice President Cheney suddenly become so dead-set against reporting how his office handled government secrets?

Cheney's refusal to abide by reporting requirements that apply to everyone else in the Bush administration -- and the audacity of his excuse, that because he is also president of the Senate, his office is not really within the executive branch -- led to a bunch of unflattering front-page headlines this morning.

But let's assume there's a method to his madness. Perhaps Cheney is rejecting this oversight because he doesn't want people to know what he and his aides have been doing with classified information. Or perhaps he believes in principle that he shouldn't be subject to constraints that apply to others in the executive branch. Maybe both. I'm betting on both.

Cheney's particular sensitivity to releasing information about his handling of government secrets is not exactly surprising. And while he apparently had no problem filing reports in 2001 and 2002, he stopped doing so in 2003 -- a game-changing year in a lot of ways.

As I wrote in my March 31, 2006, column, investigative reporter Murray Waas has developed a compelling case that the use and abuse of classified information has been key to the White House's success not only in contriving a bogus case for war in Iraq, but in keeping charges of deception from becoming a major issue in the 2004 election -- and, arguably, to this day. Time and time again, in a strategy that most likely owes its existence to Cheney, the White House has selectively leaked or declassified secret intelligence findings that served its political agenda -- while aggressively asserting the need to keep secret the information that would tend to discredit it.

Bush did not change the requirement that federal agencies report at least once a year on their implementation of those policies. Nor did he change the definition of who was covered by the reporting requirements. That continued to include any "entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information."

...And let's not forget the elephant in the room. As Josh Meyer writes in the Los Angeles Times today: "According to documents released Thursday by a House committee, Cheney's staff has blocked efforts by the National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office to enforce a key component of the presidential order: a mandatory on-site inspection of the vice president's office. At least one of those inspections would have come at a particularly delicate time -- when Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, and other aides were under criminal investigation for their suspected roles in leaking the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame."...


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I thought the not knowing part was the reason they called it "classified".

I think some of those "classifications" are titled "secret" and "top secret" and the ultimate "eyes only".

I've heard there are even some "classifications" that are "classified" so know one knows what they are classified as. (Said in Rummies voice)

I also think the "handling" precedent for this type of material was set by the first lady in the last adminisistration, and the National Security Advisor of the that same administration. Shall we go on.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Report: Clinton National Security Adviser Berger Disbarred Over Archives Theft
Friday, June 08, 2007

... "I realized then that my law license would be affected," Berger said in the statement, obtained Thursday and issued through his lawyer, Lanny Breuer.

"While I derived great satisfaction from years of practicing law, I have not done so for 15 years and do not envision returning to the profession," Berger said. He added: "I am very sorry for what I did, and deeply apologize."

In April 2005, Berger admitted destroying some of the documents and then lying about it. He called his actions a lapse of judgment that came while he was preparing to testify before the Sept. 11 commission. The documents he took contained information on terror threats in the United States during the 2000 millennium celebration....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,279355,00.html
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee



Joined: 17 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice logic. Mind if I use it the next time I do something wrong?

Boss: "So John, is there any reasonable explanation for why you mishandled the company documents?"

John: "Yeah. Bill who worked in accounting did the same thing 5 years ago."

Boss: "OK, carry on then."

John: "Assah!"
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trying?

nah, it comes naturally
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Is Cheney trying to be a di#k?"

No, it takes no effort when you are born one.

But it is hard to believe that even he can be so arrogant.
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