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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: Still think Gitmo is hot stuff? |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,,1809981,00.html?gusrc=rss
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The US government said it could not find the men that Guant�namo detainee Abdullah Mujahid believes could help set him free. The Guardian found them in three days.
Two years ago the US military invited Mr Mujahid, a former Afghan police commander accused of plotting against the United States, to prove his innocence before a special military tribunal. As was his right, Mr Mujahid called four witnesses from Afghanistan.
But months later the tribunal president returned with bad news: the witnesses could not be found. Mr Mujahid's hopes sank and he was returned to the wire-mesh cell where he remains today.
The Guardian searched for Mr Mujahid's witnesses and found them within three days. One was working for President Hamid Karzai. Another was teaching at a leading American college. The third was living in Kabul. The fourth, it turned out, was dead. Each witness said he had never been approached by the Americans to testify in Mr Mujahid's hearing.
The case illustrates the egregious flaws that have discredited Guant�namo-style justice and which led the US supreme court to declare such trials illegal on Thursday in a major rebuke to the Bush administration. Mr Mujahid is one of 380 Guant�namo detainees whose cases were reviewed at "combatant-status review tribunals" in 2004 and 2005. The tribunals were hastily set up following a court ruling that the prisoners, having been denied all normal legal rights, should be allowed to prove their innocence. Ten of the hearings proceeded to full trials, including that of Osama bin Laden's aide, Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who brought the successful supreme court appeal. |
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WorldWide
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| WAR CRIMES! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Still think Gitmo is hot stuff? |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,,1809981,00.html?gusrc=rss
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. As was his right, Mr Mujahid called four witnesses from Afghanistan.
(1) But months later the tribunal president returned with bad news: the witnesses could not be found.
. Each witness said he had never been approached by the Americans to testify in Mr Mujahid's hearing.
(2) The case illustrates the egregious flaws that have discredited Guant�namo-style justice and which led the US supreme court to declare such trials illegal on Thursday in a major rebuke to the Bush administration. Mr Mujahid is one of 380 Guant�namo detainees whose cases were reviewed at "combatant-status review tribunals" in 2004 and 2005. The tribunals were hastily set up following a court ruling that the prisoners, having been denied all normal legal rights, should be allowed to prove their innocence. Ten of the hearings proceeded to full trials, including that of Osama bin Laden's aide, Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who brought the successful supreme court appeal. |
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1. If these witness could not be found, OF COURSE they were never approached by the Americans...they couldn't be found.
This proves absolutely nothing except the Guardian's bias.
2. "egregious flaws"? If they can't find witnesses, they can't approach them now, can they? |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| So the US military can't find these people, but the Guardian can. That's a lot of things -- ridiculous, preposterous, sad, appalling, shocking -- but bias-proving it is not. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I think this points out very BOLDLY that Guantanemo is not about the truth and the truth is not on the U.S. administration's agenda. What they want is a testament to the fact they are "doing something about the ghostly terrorist threat". Anybody Arab, Muslim and male would fit the bill. Some other effects better as well (beard, devotion, former membership is "said" group etc...)
Despicable and it just shows that when something is begun in error and evil, nothing but evil comes about.
It also points to the ineptitude of the Administration but as I just stated, I believe they had no intention of finding his witnesses.........
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| So the US military can't find these people, but the Guardian can. That's a lot of things -- ridiculous, preposterous, sad, appalling, shocking -- but bias-proving it is not. |
If I were an Afghan I'd try a lot harder not to be found by the military than by a journalist. And who says it was the U.S. military looking for him? They have a lot of more important jobs to do. They probably gave that to the local police force... most of whom could be bribed for a few dollars likely. |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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If they were serious about it, they could
1. Not outsource the job to incompetents, like the local easily-bribed police.
2. Pretend to be journalists from the Guardian. I mean seriously, it doesn't take a lot of brains to figure out that you might want a better cover than "American government representative".
Besides, one of them was in the States and one of them freaking works for Hamid Karzai. Not people who are spending a lot of time hiding from Americans. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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U.S. Rejects investigator's Guantanamo Visit Request
Fri Feb 16, 9:26 AM ET
PARIS (Reuters) - A European investigator probing "alleged" CIA abuses of detainees said on Friday the United States has refused his request to visit the controversial U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba to talk to inmates.
Council of Europe investigator Dick Marty had planned to travel to Guantanamo with Manfred Nowak, United Nations special rapporteur for torture, to question detainees about reports they were earlier held in secret prisons in Europe.
"The U.S. sent a very short reply saying that they couldn't accept his request to visit and talk to inmates," a spokesman for the Council of Europe said.
Over 20 mainly European countries colluded in a web of secret Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) jails and flight transfers of terrorism "suspects" stretching from Asia to Guantanamo Bay, Marty said in a June 2006 report.
"If I cannot speak freely with detainees -- as I understand from the American reply -- such a visit would be pointless," Marty said in a statement.
"I am disappointed at this refusal by the U.S., an observer to the Council of Europe, but my investigation continues."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/guantanamo_europe_dc ... etc ... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Hater Depot wrote: |
| So the US military can't find these people, but the Guardian can. That's a lot of things -- ridiculous, preposterous, sad, appalling, shocking -- but bias-proving it is not. |
If I were an Afghan I'd try a lot harder not to be found by the military than by a journalist. And who says it was the U.S. military looking for him? They have a lot of more important jobs to do. They probably gave that to the local police force... most of whom could be bribed for a few dollars likely. |
If they were serious about finding them they could have, very easily, the Guardian proved that. It seems clear they were not serious about it. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| pfft. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Just thought I'd throw this in.
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - An Army officer with a key role in the U.S. military hearings at Guantanamo Bay says they relied on vague and incomplete intelligence and were pressured to declare detainees �enemy combatants,� often without any specific evidence.
His affidavit, released Friday, is the first criticism by a member of the military panels that determine whether detainees will continue to be held.
Lt. Col. Stephen Abraham, a 26-year veteran of military intelligence who is an Army reserve officer and a California lawyer, said military prosecutors were provided with only �generic� material that didn�t hold up to the most basic legal challenges.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19375738/ |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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I will be the first to admit I am not 100% up to date on all the details of what is happening in Guantanamo Bay. Therefore, I will ask only one question. What is the number of convictions for illegal acts in regards to said Bay?
Come on now, lets face it. America rounded up a bunch of patsies to make the "war on terror" legit. Now they are fu#ked because if they ever let these innocent people out, you can be sure as hell they would become terrorists after what they have went through. It's truly a shame and quite frankly.................America deserves to get bombed by one of these innocents if they ever get out.
Maybe that last comment should be in that "say something non pc from the heart thread"  |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Isn't this the cast of Oz? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| They just released another 80 prisoners... but as we've always been told Guantanomo houses only the worst of the worst, right? So didn't we just release 80 hardened terrorists intent on killing us all? I'm so confused. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just for the record it is customary in war to hold POWs, 'persons who have fallen into the power of the enemy', for the duration of hostilities, no judge no jury.
It is also customary for prisoners to be treated humanely in accordance with the 'third Geneva convention' and subsequent protocols. These conventions do not allow for beheading of POWs.
The release of prisoners is customary during hostilities and is usually in exchange for a like number from the opposition. |
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