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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: How do Asians see themselves and us? |
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This picture appears in Let's Go, vol. 4, p. 41.
The child on the left is presumably an Asian,
but I wonder how many of our students recognize themselves in that picture.
Every Asian cartoon person I've ever seen portrays Asian people much as Western cartoons portray Western people.
How do Asians distinguish between themselves and us?
Apparently not by the difference in eyes;
I get 헬로하우아르유'd even when I'm wearing sunglasses.
Let me argue for one hypothesis.
Here are two words which we learned in sign language class:
The teacher explained that the sign on the right portrays Western people's big noses.
I said, "Is that how you see us?"
The teacher and the other students chuckled, but they didn't answer my quesion. |
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therooster

Joined: 11 May 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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We have big noses . Get over it .
I'm more concerned with our "boerishness" in "their" eyes . We tend to be a big ,burly ,clumsy, graceless , untidy , scruffy bunch in comparison . It doesn't give our "civilised" "ethical" societies much credibility . |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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therooster wrote: |
We have big noses . Get over it .
I'm more concerned with our "boerishness" in "their" eyes . We tend to be a big ,burly ,clumsy, graceless , untidy , scruffy bunch in comparison . It doesn't give our "civilised" "ethical" societies much credibility . |
I'm not clumsy. I'm just used to building codes. Doorways here are like being
on a submarine.
Everyone one of my classrooms has some kind of sheet metal channel
behind the desk for computer cables. The first few months I tripped
all the time. The students found it entertaining.
At one school I was at they removed some furniture and left the
very sharp sheet metal brackets on the floor. After a couple
of days I finally removed them myself with my Gerber tool. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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The first thing I was told by the head(male) of the POE when I was first in the ROK, "Big nose big penishe". |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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How do Asians see themselves and us? |
Make no mistake my friends. They want to come steal our valuable math-based jobs and want to convert our impressionable young women to Buddhism. Within ten years, we'll all stop eating meat!
Dire days are ahead! |
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paquebot
Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Location: Northern Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: Re: How do Asians see themselves and us? |
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tomato wrote: |
How do Asians distinguish between themselves and us?
Apparently not by the difference in eyes;
I get 헬로하우아르유'd even when I'm wearing sunglasses.
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Something I've noticed in Korea is that body hair can draw attention. As an anecdote, I had one adjoshi invite me inside on a cold winter day for tea and conversation - although he didn't speak English and I didn't speak Korean - and he seemed surprised that my arms had more hair than his. He also tried tugging on the band of my pants to see if this applied everywhere, but I was a little unwilling to allow a full-body exam. As much as it stood out at the time, it's also not like everyone was pointing it out.
I don't consider myself especially hairy, and my hair color is pretty light. I don't suppose anyone else has had a similar experience? |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I have.
I have more hair on my arms than even most other White people.
A preschooler I work with now strokes the hair on my arms.
I once worked at a Black day care center.
The children commented on my beard, on my hairy arms, and on my bald head, but they never commented on my skin color.
One day, a child said, "My daddy doesn't like White people."
Another child said, "Do you?"
I said, "I AM a White person."
The second child looked at me in amazement.
The first child said, "I like you but I don't like other White people." |
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indiercj

Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Wishmaster wrote: |
Yeah, I've dealt with my fair share of morons in Korea. Korean men have to be some of the most emasculated, insecure, and pathetic people on the planet. And what is with the loud and aggressive "hellos" that you get. No, they aren't meant as a nicety. I mean, is your life so pathetic and vapid that you have to resort to that behavior? Do you really want attention that badly? I figure that I was probably the highlight of this guy's day and then it went downhill for him the rest of the way. Yeah, and regarding Korean women, I guess that Korean men should be the only ones that they deal with. I guess every Korean woman should be devoted to seeing the same dark-eyes, dark-hair and patriarchal guys day in and day out. Just the sameness everyday. So insecure because they know that they are inferior...funny, really. |
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DCJames

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans and many Asians have an inferiority complex with white people. |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Location: Jongno
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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By western standards, I'm pretty hairy. Last year teaching kindy the kids would stroke my arm hair every chance they got, and gasp in horror if I ever lifted my pant leg and exposed my leg hair.
The other day, in my middle school class, I was walking around monitoring the students while they did some activity, and sure enough, once I stood still for a few seconds some 14 year old boy started stroking the arm hair. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Twas watching rain man the other day, Man! talk about watching 2 of the biggest noses in the business. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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One of my Korean co-workers creates a Korean-language comic about working in an English Hagwon. She portrays the western teacher character as a stubbly guy with visible beads of sweat and huge fried-egg eyes. I have no right to be offended; I laughed at Corporal Yo in Beetle Bailey and the Japan and China episodes of the Simpsons. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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DCJames wrote: |
Koreans and many Asians have an inferiority complex with white people. |
Well, we are better hung than them, but black people have nothing on us.
Flippant stereotypes aside, Korean men lack a lot of the traits--- physically and mentally--- that Western societies associate with heterosexual "manliness". They die and perm their hair almost as much as women here do. They are touchy feely with other men on a level that would cause them to be seen as possible closet cases if they did it in the states. More often than not, they are are reserved, somewhat shy, and eschew lowd, roudy or "risk taking" behavior--- the kind of behavior that is, anthropologically speaking, rite of passage type behavior for becoming a man in Western society. My Korean soil recruiter met with me last week about the new job I'm starting in July--- he constantly complained that certain Western crowds are too "tough" to hang out with---he was surprised to find out that I have friends among the "tough" infantry crowd in Camp Casey (actually looked a little worried for me), and told me he'd had difficulty dealing with all the "tough" people in Chicago when he went to school there.
Does this mean that Korean men aren't manly? Probably not. They're just not manly by Western standards. And as Korea becomes more and more Western, it kinda sucks to be them. If I were in their shoes, I would play up Western uncouthness, clumsiness and gorilla like hairiness as much as possible.
Addendum: I also think it's fair to say that, to a liberated or feminist Korean woman, a Western man's attitudes toward women just might be preferable to the attitudes of quite a few Korean men clinging to their sense of pre-Western, non-chivalrous male privilege. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans and many Asians have an inferiority complex with white people. |
Do they see themselves as more intelligent though? In my "Is the English-speaking world superior?" thread (http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=89208&start=0) IQ/intelligence was immediately an issue.
Still very unsure what this more intelligent belief is based on, because the only Asian country that punches above its weight economically to an even remotely alike manner to Western countries is the hated colonialist, Japan. How on earth is China only the world's 5th largest economy if Asians are the most intelligent? More to life than money? |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I can usually discern foreigners from a distance without relying on facial, hair, or clothing details. Their body language is distinct in subtle ways -- they stand, walk, & sit differently from Koreans. |
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