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ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/24/asia/web.0624afghan.php

25 Afghan civilians die in NATO crossfire

thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Nope, it sure isn't.

But an interesting reply. I figured that one of the apologizers of muslim murder would post that exact article. I suppose it does excuse using toddlers as bombs. Good point!

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Doesn't excuse it at all....... Just allows us to see what motivates such senselessness.... And we don't even need suicide bombers, we have technology! It's all gameboy.

The U.S. and assorted members in Afghanistan are headed home. You can see it clear as day, Taliban again in Kabul and another foreign power with their tails between their legs. Maybe not tomorrow but it will come.

Why? Because of this same brutality which war always brings out on the ground. Us against them.... With all these tens of thousands of civilian deaths, the Afghanis (very poor inclusive term I admit) will join the ranks of anyone trying to get them out. This will just be more and more disasterous and the sooner we leave, the better. Another example where "help" should not come at the barrel of a gun.

DD

thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

I'm afraid that if we weren't bombing them, they would still be finding ways to torture their kids (no child's behind left) and women. As much as I'd love to blame their abilty to kill kill kill at will on NATO, I just don't think that history demonstrates it to be true.

This is exactly why a war to "democratize" a pack of rabid wild dogs is doomed to fail.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee · Joined: 25 May 2003

enns · Joined: 02 May 2006

ddeubel,

You need to factor intentions in your thinking.

The purpose of a suicide bombing is to kill as many innocent people as possible. The US, and all other democratic nations, go out of their way to avoid killing civilians. The innocent are not targeted by the US as they are by the Taliban and Palestinians.

Looking at intentions, it is easy to see which side is morally corrupt. You can call the US incompetent or misguided, but they should never be compared to the evils of the Taliban.

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

enns · Joined: 02 May 2006

Save me your indignation and hyperboles. I will never, ever accept suicide bombing as justifiable, ever. When a group's sole purpose is to kill as many innocent people as possible, there is no morality present. The US has made many horrible mistakes, but they're goal is never to kill those who are not involved in the conflict.

I like Sam Harris' interpretation of this. In The End of Faith, Harris talks about "The Perfect Weapon." This hypothetical "weapon", let's say a bomb, is 100% accurate everytime and is always executed as desired by its user. Think for second and open your mind. If George Bush had this weapon, what do you think he would do with it? Would he be aiming it at schools and hospitals? Of course not. He would be targeting military posts. If Bin Laden(insert any other terrorist here) had this same weapon, could you make a similar claim? Probably not. He would be targeting civilians.

This is the primary difference between the US and the terrorists. If you are talking about morality, you have to consider intentions. If you can't see this then you are "utterly sick."

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Julius · Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Ddeubel..war is for adults, not 6 yr olds.

No infant should be schooled and pressured by his communtiy into blowing himself up.

Agree? Yes? or is this a tricky one... Rolling Eyes

postfundie · Joined: 28 May 2004

DD can't mentally understand the difference between the hopes of killing as many civillians as possible and those who hope to avoid killing as many civillians as possible. Zero difference there.

contrarian · Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK

DD is just another hater of America and it ways. He is not very bright, his moral stndards are non existant and his english is dreadful.

But he is our DD with his Stepin Fetchit Avatar.

Rolling Eyes

enns · Joined: 02 May 2006

Collateral damage is a reality in any war at any time. Innocent lives will be lost. It's sad but true. Does this mean that we shouldn't have fought in World War 2? As long as there are Hitlers and Bin Ladens in the world, there will be war. Innocent lives will be lost. Let's be honest and realistic here.

Of course, if the US or any nation engages in a military operation with the intent to kill civilians, then they are not morally sound. I would never support this. But when a group purposefully slaughters innocent people using 6 year olds, there is no justification. You will never see this done by the US.

The issue with suicide bombers is that they don't typically attack military targets. They aim for schools, markets and hospitals. If they were to go through the same rigorous attempts to avoid killing civilians as does the US, then the two sides would be morally parallel.

For any further questions my answer will be the following: I will never respect any country or group that has a goal of killing as many innocent people as possible. There is enough horror as it is from countries that only target the military.

EFLtrainer · Joined: 04 May 2005