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[The Bobster]

I seem to remember there being a discussion thread with this title here yesterday, but I can't find it now. Whatever. Let's try again. Say anything you like about either topic in the headline, but I'll help get us started, if that is what is needed.

1. Every human being is hypocritical at one or many times of his or her life. Part of the freight that comes with breathing, maybe. We shouldn't need to apologize for gaps between our words and and intentions and actions - but we don't want strive to live a life full of such contradictions, either.

2. Most men love women, or at least respect them. Some men hate women. Most women love other women, or at least respect them. Some women hate other women, or at least their words and actions would sometimes seem to indicate it.

If a woman attacks another woman, either physically, or verbally or even virtually here on the internet ... is it misogyny? Or is it only so if a man does it?

If we fail to see this hatred - or, if see see it and fail to call it what is, i.e., misogyny ... is that other than hypocrisy?

That's just to get people started. Take those two words in the title of the thread anywhere you like, obviously. The concepts behind them are important enough to merit our time and our thought.

[JongnoGuru]

[julian_w]

Yeah, I came back last night after a day away, and there were something like five more pages. I was half way through reading them, and the whole thread was completely yanked; just disappeared. Is that what's called 'locking' ... or is that something else altogether? The whole conversation seemed to be developing okay from what I was reading ... although there were another three or so pages I didn't get to catch up on.

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I agree the words and ideas need to be discussed. It�s heaps important, and actually really topical. There was a huge case in the States recently where an excellent and prominent blogger ended up signing off permanently. The case drew a lot of attention to the issue of misogyny online, and drew this excellent post in response from New Zealand�s premier blogmeister Russell Brown, of the blogging community Public Address.

Which leads to the question for us at Dave�s: How many potentially great contributors and their threads and posts are we missing out on, because we don�t have a �clean� or inclusive or safe enough culture for posters identifying as female?

I think we should make conscious decisions as to what kind of a culture we want to live in, online or in the smelly world, and how we want to contribute to the development of that culture.

Mods., I�d like to know what happened to the previous thread.

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About hypocrisy:

Goals and standards are useful, although we can�t � or don�t - all live up to those standards all the time. If we generally are achieving the goal of living up to those standards but fail once, whether or not we get called out on it, does that make us hypocrites? Or is hypocrisy only when we verbally profess to be trying to achieve some goal or standard, but actually, inside, don�t really care about it?

If we�re brought up with one set of standards, for example: that it�s okay to make sexist jokes, and then we adopt a new set of standards as adults whereby we reject the telling of those jokes but we still laugh at others� jokes, thereby not making the effort to actively discourage them, is that hypocritical, or just contradictory, or inconsistent internal logic?

Also, The Bobster said:

[The Bobster]

Yes, but if a woman attacks another woman, and targets the woman as part of her personal identity in order to hurt some other person - even if it IS a woman who is perpretrating this ... is it not ALSO misogyny?

I'm sort of thinking that that kind of hatred toward a woman, whoever the ultimate target is, whoever the perp is, and whatever the gender is - it is still misogyny - and if other women cut slack for a woman who might do this, then the word for it is "hypocrisy."

[Zoobot]

Let it go, Bobster, let it go.

[chriswylson]

Bobster, get a life you pu ssy.

[jinju]

It was a stupid thread. There isnt a lot of misogyny here and a lot of what is misogyny is coming from women. Let the topic die.

[SuperFly]

[Bramble]

You're writing on a totally different topic. This thread isn't about "misogyny" at all ... it's about your out-of-context reading of a comment one poster made in response to another. Everyone who disagrees with you isn't a hypocrite - what it means is that we read the whole conversation, understood the author's intent, and also took into account the "victim's" long history of bullying other people on these boards. One has to question whether the mods are guilty of misogyny if their idea of justice is repeatedly siding with such a person and allowing a new - presumably young, female - poster to be run off the boards for such a ridiculously trivial "offence."

Yes, it is perfectly possible for a woman to be a misogynist, and no one here has claimed otherwise. If that Reed guy (the creep who wrote that article about all Western women being devils) had been a woman, "she'd" be a misogynist too. I've seen no evidence that Freaka belongs in this category of female misogynists, however.

It's too bad the other thread got derailed with irrelevant crap, isn't it? Was it just one thread that got deleted, or more than one? I'm losing track now.

[Bramble]

[jinju]

At the risk of being called a misogynyst, you ladies are overreacting.

Do you want equality? Well with equality comes equal treatment. And that doesnt just involve the good things like being able to vote or get a good job, it also involves getting the crap kicked out of you on a message board every once in a while. It seems YOUR idea of equality is actually more like getting preferential treatent. Well, sorry ladies, thats not equality. if you want special treatment then stop whining about wanting equality. Just come out and say it: we are special, we want special treatment.

[peppermint]

[jinju]

[peppermint]

I'm done, jinju you're a waste of bandwidth

[jinju]