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The Most Important Question We Can Ask About God
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: The Most Important Question We Can Ask About God Reply with quote

The Most Important Question We Can Ask About God
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, this is the real issue.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe, I would have gone with jetpacks, but there's a suspicious lack of reasonable debate at that infrared vision site...
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Satori



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Study Shows Remote Prayer Ineffective, Even Harmful

http://www.able2know.com/forums/about72071.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

broken link for me, mith'.
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Grimalkin



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
No, this is the real issue.


When I click on your link I get "Cannot find server"!.


Is there a deeper meaning in this? Cool
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The deeper meaning is that God is not our order supplier. We have to qualifiy ourselves to be able to see God. By gradually purifying our senses in devotional service (bhakti) we can advance through various stages of God realization.

Empiric philosophers and speculators (jnanis) can only realize the impersonal feature of the Absolute Truth (compared to the light emanated from fire ...)

Yogis and mystics (in trance) can realize the localized feature of the Absolute Truth as the Supersoul (paramatma) expansionof God, witnessing the activities of the conditioned souls present in the hearts of all living entities...

Ultimately, only those faithful souls on the path of pure devotion can realize the personal feature of God (as Bhagavan - the unlimitedly powerful, intelligent, wealthy, famous, beautiful, and renounced Supreme Person...)

There is no separate Christian God and Hindu God any more than there is a separate Christian sun and Hindu sun. All incarnations of God (known by various names) are essentially the same Supreme Lord and are not subject to any material conditions.

The same Absolute Truth is perceived differently from different angles of vision due to different stages of realization...


http://www.asitis.com/2/2.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some more questions that require answers.

http://freethought.homestead.com/Questions.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
The deeper meaning is that God is not our order supplier. We have to qualifiy ourselves to be able to see God. By gradually purifying our senses in devotional service (bhakti) we can advance through various stages of God realization.

Empiric philosophers and speculators (jnanis) can only realize the impersonal feature of the Absolute Truth (compared to the light emanated from fire ...)

Yogis and mystics (in trance) can realize the localized feature of the Absolute Truth as the Supersoul (paramatma) expansionof God, witnessing the activities of the conditioned souls present in the hearts of all living entities...

Ultimately, only those faithful souls on the path of pure devotion can realize the personal feature of God (as Bhagavan - the unlimitedly powerful, intelligent, wealthy, famous, beautiful, and renounced Supreme Person...)

There is no separate Christian God and Hindu God any more than there is a separate Christian sun and Hindu sun. All incarnations of God (known by various names) are essentially the same Supreme Lord and are not subject to any material conditions.

The same Absolute Truth is perceived differently from different angles of vision due to different stages of realization...


http://www.asitis.com/2/2.html


Did you read the link?

If so, then riddle me this: why are cancer patients and others occasionally "cured by prayer" but no amputee has ever been cured by prayer?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so tempted to post one of those syrupy god chain mails in here.

Please God keep me from this horrible sin.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The temptation was just too great:

A few years ago a group of salesmen went to a regional sales
convention in Chicago. They had assured their wives that they
would be home in plenty of time for Friday night's dinner. In their
rush, with tickets and briefcases, one of these salesmen
inadvertently kicked over a table which held a display of apples.
Apples flew everywhere. Without stopping or looking back, they
all managed to reach the plane in time for their nearly missed boarding.

ALL BUT ONE !!! He paused, took a deep breath, got in touch with
his feelings, and experienced a twinge of compassion for the girl
whose apple stand had been overturned.

He told his buddies to go on without him, waved good-bye, told
one of them to call his wife when they arrived at their home
destination and explain his taking a later flight. Then he returned
to the terminal where the apples were all over the terminal floor.

He was glad he did.

The 16 year old girl was totally blind! She was softly crying, tears
running down her cheeks in frustration, and at the same time
helplessly groping for her spilled produce as the crowd swirled
about her, no one stopping and no one to care for her plight.

The salesman knelt on the floor with her, gathered up the apples,
put them back on the table and helped organize her display. As he
did this, he noticed that many of them had become battered and
bruised; these he set aside in another basket.

When he had finished, he pulled out his wallet and said to the girl,
"Here, please take this $40 for the damage we did. Are you okay?"
She nodded through her tears. He continued on with, "I hope we
didn't spoil your day too badly."

As the salesman started to walk away, the bewildered blind girl
called out to him, "Mister...." He paused and turned to look back
into those blind eyes. She continued, "Are you Jesus?"

He stopped in mid-stride, and he wondered. Then slowly he made
his way to catch the later flight with that question burning and
bouncing about in his soul: "Are you Jesus?" Do people mistake
you for Jesus? That's our destiny, is it not? To be so much like
Jesus that people cannot tell the difference as we live and interact
with a world that is blind to His love, life and grace.

If we claim to know Him, we should live, walk and act as He would.
Knowing Him is more than simply quoting Scripture and going to
church. It's actually living the Word as life unfolds day to day.

You are the apple of His eye even though we, too, have been
bruised by a fall. He stopped what He was doing and picked you
and me up on a hill called Calvary and paid in full for our damaged fruit.

Please share this,,,, Sometimes we just take things for granted,
when we really need to be sharing what we know...


I can't help myself
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rockstarsmooth



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was hoping that the first plane would crash and the ignorant salesmen would all burn in hell for their sins.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a case of one's spiritual intelligence being amputated.

In pure consciousness, one realizes one's real identity as separate from the physical body, which is always subject to various material afflictions and eventually death.

Intellectual understanding is not sufficient for realizing that we're not matter - we need to act on the spiritual platform by engaging in devotional service under the direction of a realized soul who is fully God conscious.

The wise lament for the material body at no stage of development - including death ...

In ignorance, people pray to God (and demigods) for material benedictions for themselves and bodily relations, but the only enlightened thing to pray for is pure devotional service that will immediately bring relief from all material miseries...

(I daresay that a realized soul in pure consciousness could even be nailed to a cross while still being absorbed in transcendental ecstatic remembrance of God...)


http://www.asitis.com/2/11.html
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Bingo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd ask the dude why there are so many darned contradictions and obvious absurdities in a book written by an all knowing, all wise, all intelligent deity. There are contradictions and/or absurdities on virtually every page. For example, are you the ONLY god, or are there others and you're just the best?

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html

The above site is well worth bookmarking. It lists hundreds of contradictions, absurdities etc. that run throughout the bible. Use the links on the left.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The links can be found here (in pretty colours). Very Happy

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/contra_list.html
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