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Tiger Beer
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: May toll for U.S. soldiers in Iraq climbs to 122 |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070531/ts_nm/iraq_usa_soldiers_dc;_ylt=AkHhH5FNC7H9mtiAEkhS3R.s0NUE
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The U.S. military reported three more deaths in Iraq on Thursday, taking the death toll to 122 for May, already the worst month for U.S. forces there in more than two years.
May is the third-worst month overall in the campaign for U.S. soldiers, behind November 2004, when 137 soldiers died, and April 2004, when 135 were killed.
A total of 3,473 U.S. soldiers have been killed since the start of the invasion in March 2003. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Revolutionary War
US War dead (KIA per month) 55
Months at war 80
Average US KIA per day 1.80
War of 1812
US war dead (KIA per month) 75
Months at war 30
Average US KIA per day 2.46
Mexican War
US war dead (KIA per month) 87
Months at war 20
Average US KIA per day 2.85
Civil War
US war dead (KIA per month) 3,846
Months at war 48
Average US KIA per day 126.10
Spanish-American War
US war dead (KIA per month) 96
Months at war 4
Average US KIA per day 3.15
WWI
US war dead (KIA per month) 2,816
Months at war 19
Average US KIA per day 92.33
WWII
US war dead (KIA per month) 6,639
Months at war 44
Average US KIA per day 217.67
Korea
US war dead (KIA per month) 909
Months at war 37
Average US KIA per day 29.80
Vietnam
US war dead (KIA per month) 526
Months at war 90
Average US KIA per day 17.25
Gulf War
US war dead (KIA per month) 148
Months at war 1
Average US KIA per day 4.85
Iraqi Freedom:
US war dead (KIA per month) 92.1
Months at war 38
Average US KIA per day 3.07
So this war is the least bloody we've fought since the Mexican American war. So let me put it this way:
Iraq is the least bloody war America has fought in 161 years! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Something I always wandered about but was too lazy to check it out. Thanks, Superfly. Really, this war is NOTHING. I laugh at people comparing it to Vietnam or WW2. If americans cant take this then it looks like America isnt the superpower it is touted as. You libs should just STFU and let the soldiers do their job. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Something I always wandered about but was too lazy to check it out. Thanks, Superfly. Really, this war is NOTHING. I laugh at people comparing it to Vietnam or WW2. If americans cant take this then it looks like America isnt the superpower it is touted as. You libs should just STFU and let the soldiers do their job. |
Jinju,
You get a hardon everytime anyone even thinks "war". No surprise about the above comment. Tell that to those killed in this useless endeavour and their families.
I beg to differ -- this war is something simply because of the stupidy and waste of this war. That people die for something noble I can swallow and march on with..... that people die for this, it is just sad, sad, sad and that makes it SOMETHING. The futility and absurdity of the exercise.
Those that can't see that, are just prepared to kill and go to war for any old thing. The days of moral intervention are coming to an end, very slowly....
DD |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Lament for Jinju
by Ddeubel
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Jinju,
You get a hardon
everytime anyone even thinks "war."
No surprise about the above comment.
Tell that to those killed in this useless endeavour...
and their families.
I beg to differ!
This war is stupidy.
And waste.
That people die for something noble
I can swallow
and march on with...
That people die for this,
it is just sad,
sad,
sad.
And that makes it SOMETHING,
SOMETHING,
SOMETHING.
The futility and absurdity of the exercise.
Those that can't see that,
are just prepared to kill and go to war
for any old thing.
The days of moral intervention are coming to an end, very slowly....
DD |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Kudos to SuperFly for the stats. It's sobering to think, for example, that in the 4day Battle of Tarawa 1000 US servicemen(mostly Marines) died. Four days-and that fatality figure represents almost a third of the deaths in Iraq over four years. Cold comfort for the families of the fallen? Yes, but it puts things in perspective.
The relatively small number of casualities is one reason why the "peace" movement has not been the prominent feature that it was in the Vietnam War era. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| Kudos to SuperFly for the stats. It's sobering to think, for example, that in the 4day Battle of Tarawa 1000 US servicemen(mostly Marines) died. Four days-and that fatality figure represents almost a third of the deaths in Iraq over four years. Cold comfort for the families of the fallen? Yes, but it puts things in perspective. |
So as long as only "a few" Americans die, it is all okidokie??? What BS! That human life can be divided into those worthy and those not, is abominable. Your participation in this charade and mental gymnastic feat only shows how infantile and brainwashed your own thought and moral compass is.
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Getting facts
Last month, one US survey estimated that some 655,000 Iraqis might still be alive but for the US-led invasion of 2003. |
Yeah Gopher, just a highly accredited U.S. organization that to you is publishing leftist B.S. and hurting our image. Who cares about the truth?
DD
PS. I like the poem. When's the book coming out. I'll add one written especially for you, from the zoo that knows no imagine nation. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Kind of an odd thread. Comparing numbers like this is never a good idea - on one hand you can use it to make the Iraq War look rosy compared to some other conflicts, but on the other hand you could also say that 'only' 3000 or so people died on 9/11 so it wasn't that big of a deal. Playing around with death tolls never works because of this.
Economic numbers work better. For the price of one Iraq War for example, we could pay NASA's budget for the next 26 years, or in other words we could have started a colony on the Moon by now. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: DD.... |
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DD: I'm going to put this as diplomatically as I can in an attempt to "ask you nicely" to retract your comments about me.
Where in the hell did I say it was Okeydokey that only a "few" Americans have died? And where in the hell did I even hint at anything remotely connected to "those worthy and those not"? What the hell are you on?
My point stands: the casualty rate in this war is RELATIVELY low. I'm sure you're a bright guy that can do the math. And again: that statistical fact alone won't cause loved ones of the fallen to shrug off their pain. That's not the point here. War is grim and brutal. That said, would you rather have a son or brother facing the casualty odds of WW2 or Operation Iraqi Freedom? I know my answer.
I do urge you to retract the assertions made about me and insults directed towards me. Outright libel. How about it, mate? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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My point stands: the casualty rate in this war is RELATIVELY low. I'm sure you're a bright guy that can do the math. And again: that statistical fact alone won't cause loved ones of the fallen to shrug off their pain. That's not the point here. War is grim and brutal. That said, would you rather have a son or brother facing the casualty odds of WW2 or Operation Iraqi Freedom? I know my answer.
I do urge you to retract the assertions made about me and insults directed towards me. Outright libel. How about it, mate? |
Sue me. Sorry if your feelings are hurt but my point still stands. If you can talk of only U.S. casualties alone without mentioning the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that have been killed. -- you stand accused. Sorry to say that. Your error if you didn't mention it. War is, at base, caused by this dissociation and ethnocentrism.
I don't like the presumption that because something is not mentioned, you stand guilty of it. But this case is different. If there is a pink elephant in the room, you should speak about it, not the fact that there is less light than usual.
The perspective you mentioned, I reject. That there are few Americans dying makes it not that bad????? Every life counts - that is the only perspective and it is weighed by the cause. This cause is empty.
DD
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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That there are few Americans dying makes it not that bad????? Every life counts - that is the only perspective and it is weighed by the cause. This cause is empty.
DD
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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DD: What is the topic of the thread? That's right: it's about US casualties in Iraq. There are a hundred places where you can discuss Iraqi casualties and who's responsible for them. Funny how you never mentioned Iraqi civilians in your first post here...your pot's looking pretty black from my vantage point.
You accuse me, baselessly, of being callous towards casualties, US ones or otherwise. I never said or even hinted at anything of the sort. I would make it clear, however, that the murderous insurgents who deliberately target Iraqi civilians are deserving of nothing remotely resembling sympathy or kid gloves treatment from the Iraqis and Americans who are fighting them. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: DD.... |
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DD: I'm going to put this as diplomatically as I can in an attempt to "ask you nicely" to retract your comments about me.
Where in the hell did I say it was Okeydokey that only a "few" Americans have died? And where in the hell did I even hint at anything remotely connected to "those worthy and those not"? What the hell are you on?
My point stands: the casualty rate in this war is RELATIVELY low. I'm sure you're a bright guy that can do the math. And again: that statistical fact alone won't cause loved ones of the fallen to shrug off their pain. That's not the point here. War is grim and brutal. That said, would you rather have a son or brother facing the casualty odds of WW2 or Operation Iraqi Freedom? I know my answer.
I do urge you to retract the assertions made about me and insults directed towards me. Outright libel. How about it, mate? |
Total innocent deaths on 9/11 = ~2,800. That makes it a relatively low-scale massacre, right, compared to the history of massacres? Why is America throwing so many resources and lives away in the name of a medium-scale massacre like that? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: DD.... |
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| Mosley wrote: |
DD: I'm going to put this as diplomatically as I can in an attempt to "ask you nicely" to retract your comments about me.
Where in the hell did I say it was Okeydokey that only a "few" Americans have died? And where in the hell did I even hint at anything remotely connected to "those worthy and those not"? What the hell are you on?
My point stands: the casualty rate in this war is RELATIVELY low. I'm sure you're a bright guy that can do the math. And again: that statistical fact alone won't cause loved ones of the fallen to shrug off their pain. That's not the point here. War is grim and brutal. That said, would you rather have a son or brother facing the casualty odds of WW2 or Operation Iraqi Freedom? I know my answer.
I do urge you to retract the assertions made about me and insults directed towards me. Outright libel. How about it, mate? |
In defense of DD.
It seems the okidoki phrase was followed by several question marks.
It didn't sound offensive to me.
A simple 'no it's not okidoki', it's a point of relativity in terms of
historical proportions this is a rather light weight conflict.
I could guess that you could find a single day casualty total for the
Iran-Iraq conflict that would far exceed the total for the current
Iraq conflagration. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Can an online persona be held libel to another online persona?
Are online personas real or imaginary?
Is this off topic? |
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