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Soccerstar
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: Kyungsangnamdo
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 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: Who has a great job? |
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A couple years ago a thread was started with this title and it really helped my wife and I get the great jobs we have now. I know some of you have better jobs than me, so help out those on the jobsearch by posting if you have a fantastic job.
My location: Gimhae Public schools
Base school salary: 2.3, total school salary 2.6
work hours: 9:00-4:30
classes: 25 40-minute classes.
vacation: 35 days
What really sets our job apart is that our schools are required to give us a two-month heads-up before they schedule a camp for us. Also there is a lady who works full time at our city taking care of our needs.
Jobs in Busan or Seoul seem to be the ones most people want so if your employers are great and are hiring in either of these two cities than please definately let us know. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Location: Seoul Public schools
Base school salary: 2.0-2.7 million, depending on experience
work hours: 8:30-4:30 or 9-5, depending on school
classes: 22 or lower a week, 45 minutes long. Any more = overtime
vacation: Not counting national holidays the minimun is 21 working days. If you work certain camps and/or re-sign for another year, you can get up to 41. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Location: Public Middle school (nope, not sayin' where.)
Base school salary: 2.1 base. After school program (which somehow is during school) another 800k every twenty work days. Camps ring up 5-6 million a year.
work hours: 8:30-5:00, no saturdays.
classes: 22 per week, 45 minutes long. Reality is 16 or 17 per week.
vacation: Allowed 14 days out of country, but not required to be in the office from beginning of january till March 5, and July 14 to August 20.
I like my job. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Public Elementary School
Base Salary 2.4 for 22 classes of 40 minutes.
Afterschool program (6 * 40 minute classes per week between 2:00-4:30) add 600k
Work hours 8:40-4:40. NO WEEKENDS or stat holidays.
Vacation - 4 weeks standard (allowed out of coutry) + 2 weeks home leave for re-up.
Unofficial holidays - 4 more weeks but had to stay in Korea. |
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Soccerstar
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: Kyungsangnamdo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:21 am Post subject: Hogwons |
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Thanks fellows, I'm sure these are helpful to give an idea what is out there in public schools.
Hogowns sometimes have shorter at-the-job hours and smaller class sizes than public schools. Anyone at a hogwon making 2.5 or have an exceptional work environment? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Hogwons |
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| Soccerstar wrote: |
Thanks fellows, I'm sure these are helpful to give an idea what is out there in public schools.
Hogowns sometimes have shorter at-the-job hours and smaller class sizes than public schools. Anyone at a hogwon making 2.5 or have an exceptional work environment? |
That would have to be 2.5 + full benefits. Lots of people work at places like CDI and make 2.5-3.0 BUT they don't get housing, medical, pension, 4+ weeks of paid vacation, etc.
Additionally ....... hummmm.... 120 CLASS hours per month OFTEN means more than 40 hours per week in the hakwon,. It sometimes means as many as 160 classes per month + prep time + meetings + ..... You get the picture. READ the CONTRACT VERY carefully.
Been there, done that and have the hakwon t-shirts too. I also spent 3 years working as an advocate for ex teachers who were cheated (some very badly) by their hakwons.
My personal (from experience) estimation is that:
50% of all hakwons are worse than even the worst of public schools.
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30% of hakwons are worse than the average public school.
10% are about the same as an average public school.
5% are better than an average public school but not up to a good/great public school.
5% would compare to the best of public school jobs.
(80% of hakwons are worse than an average public school, 20% would be equal or better than an AVERAGE public school).
The chances of a newbie finding a good hakwon from abroad (or even from in Korea unless he has friends/connections) are about the same as a snowball's chance in he11.
public schools are NOT all a bed of roses. The chances of getting a problematic public school are about 15% BUT even there you are still assured of your pay and benefits as long as you do your job. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| I love my job but don't want to give specifics. |
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jbpatlanta
Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: good hagwon |
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| I work at a hogwon. Over 3 mil a month, full benefits, about 1 month vacation, 16.5 actual teaching hours a week. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Hagwon
2.7 for six 50-minute classes/day.
2:30 - 8:50 schedule
4 weeks vacation
OT inside hagwon is 25,000
OT outside hagwon is 50,000
elementary, middle school, adults
maximum class size is 10
No administration work. Only teaching. No meetings.
Housing (good)
Pension
Health
Severence
Plane ticket or cash every year.
200,000 raise a year
1 week vacation bonus per year.
Get a drive to and from work every day. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Hogwan,
Boss is a fox, teaching staff looks like a Victoria's Secret catalog.
Boss has MS in Cinema Studies, knows movies.
Cool workplace, no BS. Pay is unremarkable, vacation time increasing. Plenty of latitude, little supervision. |
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icnelly
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Public Elementary
2.3 base + 320 extra for OT = 26 total hrs per week
My classroom/office is the only Air Conditioned classroom in the building (AC installed 2 weeks ago)
14 days vacation not counting weekends.
2 camps per vacation for a total of 14 days (my idea), so extra 1.5 weeks vacation there.
Numerous school holidays (sports day, field trips, tests, school's anniversary, etc), plus all national holidays.
Only 2 co teachers, and a mini fridge for my classroom too... |
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rhinocharge64
Joined: 20 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| "14 days holiday and not counting weekends". To the last poster I wasn't aware that people count weekends part of their holiday. Naviely I thought this was standard, and by and large is. So, please stop blowing smoke up your own...while you get the message! Nice touch with the fridge though, bet it keeps the beers cool. |
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icnelly
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| rhinocharge64 wrote: |
| "14 days holiday and not counting weekends". To the last poster I wasn't aware that people count weekends part of their holiday. Naviely I thought this was standard, and by and large is. So, please stop blowing smoke up your own...while you get the message! Nice touch with the fridge though, bet it keeps the beers cool. |
sorry but no smoke, at least not in the black and white of my contract...
Typo on my part: meant 14 days vacation, and you can't use Saturday and Sunday as vacation days = standard in the GEPIK contract.
Do I need to spell it out more, or is this clear??
EDIT: Actually, learn to read as there is no typo in my post: I said: 14 days vacation not counting weekends, you read holiday... |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: good hagwon |
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| jbpatlanta wrote: |
| I work at a hogwon. Over 3 mil a month, full benefits, about 1 month vacation, 16.5 actual teaching hours a week. |
Very impressive. This is hard to believe being that hagwons are profit oriented. They must be all about giving their FT's a great time in Korea!!! Thats fabulous!
My job: 2 m a month for 30 teaching hours a week and a whole lot of hagwon management issues causing me stress with only 10 working days vacation per year. The school lacks to instill discilpline in kindergarten and lacks teacher support. It's hard just to talk to the director and vice director about anything as they are defensive, apathetic, and too negative or pessimistic. They act insecure in themselves when I come around and I sure hate it. They go into your classes to talk to you when they have something to say to me and I now resent them for this disrepect after I have bent over backwards in respect to them. I resent being the last person told about anything and them not having enough regards to approach me and tell me what I need to know in a concise and timely manner. These insecure arses are up to evil doing.
Never again will I work for a hagwon and definitely not 4 and 5 year olds teaching. |
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sheeon
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: satisfactory contract |
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right now, 2.6 mill plus 500,000 housing allowance (got my own apartment, so considered as income)
After tax and medical insurance and pension get 2.9 million.
22 hours per week,
5 week vacation |
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