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Morton



Joined: 06 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Good/bad Reply with quote

As with all things in life i have experienced good and bad things. My lack of Korean is holding me back but i am taking lessons.

Yesterday, at Nong Hyub bank, i asked how to send money back home to Scotland. I was told i would have to go to the other branch 5 minutes down the road. I thanked the women and went on my way.
Unfortunately the other branch was shut. I went back to the original bank and told the woman what had happened. She wrote down that the bank shut at 4.30. I asked her why didn't she tell me that before. She looked a bit sheepish and laughed slightly.
I tried to brush it off but then the woman working next to her said something and laughed aloud. Not cool.
I had a few words with the woman about how i felt and she apologized. I told her that laughing at other peoples predicaments is not a very nice thing to do. She apologized again. I decided to leave.

Today i went to the other branch of Nong Hyub to transfer the money to Scotland. It went without a hitch and the man couldn't have been nicer. As before, there was next to no English used but we got through it together.

Perhaps i could have handled yesterday a bit more diplomatically but i've never seen a Korean laughing when someone Korean is complaining. I've read about it in many books though.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only the bigger branches can transfer out.

I had the same problem here.

How good was the ladies English? Did you speak to her in Korean or English?
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shantaram



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I paid a bill yesterday at Shinhan bank and got laughed at by the teller's colleague because I couldn't understand the tally, which was rattled off at me really fast. At that point I was so tired, having already been 'HELLO!'ed at a score of times on the street and even had 'f you' shouted at me a handful of times by a middle school student, I took my change and walked out without another word. I then got stalked by a girl on roller-blades who wanted to know if I was a foreigner. After finally turning off the main street I realised I had left my jacket in the bank, and had to go back down the main street to get it from the girl I'd walked out on initially. This place has really got to me in the last few days.

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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, maybe the other girl was laughing making fun of her co-worker. Koreans laugh when they are embarrassed.
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Morton



Joined: 06 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shantaram: I know how you feel. You're not alone. I'm just trying to roll with it but it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a haaardddd rainnnnns gonna fall. (I've been listening to Dylan alot recently Embarassed )

I was speaking mostly in English but trying some basic Korean.

I get the laughing when they are embarassed but her friend should have kept her bib out of it.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
You know, maybe the other girl was laughing making fun of her co-worker. Koreans laugh when they are embarrassed.


That's what I was thinking, too.

It seems to be human nature to assume a person is talking badly about you if they are speaking a language you can't understand.


Now, one time I did have a woman laugh at me in a bank, though. I was trying to get a new debit card, but had to run home to get my passport. I tried to ask the teller if she could prepare the card for me while I was gone so I wouldn't have to wait again, but my grammar/word selection was bad so the teller didn't understand. The customer next to me looked over and started laughing because of my terrible sentence. Nosy bish. I wanted to slap her in the fro.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gone out of my way to enforce that laughter is not always a welcomed response.

One time I told an adult phone English student that I was sick and throwing up (or something) and he laughed politely. I told him point-blank that his laughter, no matter how it was intended, was insulting, to which he laughed again. It was very difficult to explain to him, but he finally got it. That's one down, 39 999 999 to go.
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airmax95



Joined: 02 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Good/bad Reply with quote

Morton wrote:
As with all things in life i have experienced good and bad things. My lack of Korean is holding me back but i am taking lessons.

Yesterday, at Nong Hyub bank, i asked how to send money back home to Scotland. I was told i would have to go to the other branch 5 minutes down the road. I thanked the women and went on my way.
Unfortunately the other branch was shut. I went back to the original bank and told the woman what had happened. She wrote down that the bank shut at 4.30. I asked her why didn't she tell me that before. She looked a bit sheepish and laughed slightly.
I tried to brush it off but then the woman working next to her said something and laughed aloud. Not cool.
I had a few words with the woman about how i felt and she apologized. I told her that laughing at other peoples predicaments is not a very nice thing to do. She apologized again. I decided to leave.

Today i went to the other branch of Nong Hyub to transfer the money to Scotland. It went without a hitch and the man couldn't have been nicer. As before, there was next to no English used but we got through it together.

Perhaps i could have handled yesterday a bit more diplomatically but i've never seen a Korean laughing when someone Korean is complaining. I've read about it in many books though.


I think ajgeddes is right. It seems like the first teller was laughing trying to make light of the situation because she made a mistake (although, it might not have been a mistake as she might have intended for you to go there the next day assuming you knew when the bank closed). The other teller could have laughed at you, but it's more likely she was laughing at her coworker (especially if they are friends). In any event, it's highly unlikely that they were laughing at you.
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Anyong Bluth



Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Location: Robbers' Roost

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Koreans laugh when they are embarrassed.


This is always very important to remember. It is probably the one cultural difference that causes the most interpersonal strife between foreigners and natives. You could be cussing someone out because they messed up and they're sitting there laughing in your face but really it means they're MORTIFIED about how badly they've screwed up. Is the right move, then, to turn up the heat? I would think no, but it's not hard to see how the situation would be aggravating to way-gook-sarram.
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airmax95



Joined: 02 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyong Bluth wrote:
ajgeddes wrote:
Koreans laugh when they are embarrassed.


This is always very important to remember. It is probably the one cultural difference that causes the most interpersonal strife between foreigners and natives. You could be cussing someone out because they messed up and they're sitting there laughing in your face but really it means they're MORTIFIED about how badly they've screwed up. Is the right move, then, to turn up the heat? I would think no, but it's not hard to see how the situation would be aggravating to way-gook-sarram.


Ain't that the truth. I think when you're dealing with people in general, it's important to consider intent. If you live your life taking everyone's behavior at face value, it'll be a long and hard journey.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ain't that the truth. I think when you're dealing with people in general, it's important to consider intent. If you live your life taking everyone's behavior at face value, it'll be a long and hard journey.


Are you could be adding intend that was not even there? Hard to say if one should add intent or not.
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kigolo1881



Joined: 30 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next time have a little foresight on what time it was.
Most if not all banks close at 4:30pm and most transactions such as payin bills are halted by 4pm.

*Maybe she assumed that you knew when the banks close and just told you where you should go the next day.

Grow thicker skin if you want to survive here, just bc someone else chuckled and giggled, its not the end of the world and there's no reason to start a fight or an argument; they wouldnt even understand you.

Best thing, you should have laughed out loud too!
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Good/bad Reply with quote

Morton wrote:
Perhaps i could have handled yesterday a bit more diplomatically but i've never seen a Korean laughing when someone Korean is complaining. I've read about it in many books though.

Many times, Koreans laugh when they are embrassed or ashamed. Took me years trying to get used to that, ain't there yet. Read about this in Culture Shock: Korea on the plane over years ago, but I still get an instinctive flinch when a kid tells me he has no homework and then laughs in my face, just want to smack him ...

One of those things you have to get used to, I think, and 7 years later I'm still tryin'. Laughter doesn't always mean what you think it means, all I'm sayin'..
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Morton



Joined: 06 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replys.

I'm still getting used to the laughing when you're embarrased thing. It's a real struggle. I read the Culture Shock book too but it still takes some getting used to.

I'm a bit embarassed to go back into the bank. Maybe i should go in there laughing hysterically. Laughing
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morton wrote:
(I've been listening to Dylan alot recently Embarassed )

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Why the red face?
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