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Doogie · Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: Hwaseong City

Wow! Looking at that list of fatalities that Alyallen provided, it's amazing how many of these guys died of heart attacks in their 30's and 40's. And these guys were supposed to be athletes! I don't think there can be any doubt that years of steroid use have a horrible effect on specific organs in the body. It reminds me of the last year of football star Lyle Alzado's life. He went on a huge crusade telling kids to stay away from steroids. He was dying of brain cancer at the time. He was totally convinced that the years of massive steroid use was the cause of his brain cancer.

Young FRANKenstein · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:56 am Post subject:

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Another notable name associated with pro wrestling who's not on that list is "Miss Elizabeth" who used to be "Macho Man" Randy Savage's wife.

She appeared like a fairly wholesome type among "ladies" of wrestling,, but then she got hooked-up with arrogant low-life "Lex Lugar" ...

...On May 1, 2003 in Marietta, Georgia, Larry Pfohl, aka Lex Luger, called 9-1-1 from his home and reported that Elizabeth was not breathing. She did not respond to mouth to mouth resuscitation, and paramedics rushed her to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead at age 42. (Luger's phone call was later aired on an episode of WWE Confidential.)

Police launched an investigation. Two weeks prior to her death, Lex Luger had been arrested on charges of domestic violence [Elizabeth had two black eyes, knots on the forehead, and a split lip. She claimed she had fallen down while trying to control the family dog, but police didn't buy her story...]

In the home he and Hulette shared, police found pills of hydrocodone and alprazolam (Xanax), as well as anabolic steroids, testosterone, and saizen. The subsequent autopsy showed that Hulette died of an accidental drug overdose, having ingested some of the medications with vodka. Though Luger was cleared of any wrongdoing in connection with her death, he was charged with felony drug charges...

In her honor, a slideshow of her career was shown on WWE SmackDown!.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Elizabeth

"Miss Elizabeth" with first husband, Randy "Macho Man" Savage

Troll_Bait · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:15 am Post subject:

Former wrestler Chris Nowinski has an interesting take on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/us/27wrestler.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Concussions certainly don't help one's mental condition, but I doubt that they fully account for murderous mood swings...

I'm sure that the WWE welcomes (and will probably reward) any theory advanced that would take some heat off the steroid connection and their own inconsistent drug policies.

Former (and perhaps still under contract in some capacity...) employee, Nowinski was certainly an oddity among pro wrestlers because of his degree from Harvard University.

One very notable pro football player who often displayed irrational violence and weird behavior on the field - Bill Romanowski - admits that using steroids and other supplements messed him up as a person...

Of course, there are probably a number of current (and banned) forum members who use similar supplements in their body-building regimens...

The guys who produce this sports-entertainment radio show based in Orlando, Florida, give some interesting insider perspective:http://www.betweentheropes.com/category/the-show/

Smee · Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do

After I heard Nowinski's name mentioned in a news report I checked out his wikipedia page, and I'm interested in looking at his book. I know nothing about neurology or about concussions in sports. But concussions have contributed to the downfall of a number of former NFL players, including Andre Waters (suicide, 2006), Mike Webster (1952-2002, and who also used steroids, but suffered considerable mental damage), Terry Long (suicide, 2005), and Justin Strzelczyk (former offensive lineman who died in 2004 in a police chase). There are a lot of recent developments in the connection between head injuries and mental health problems in former NFL players.

Alyallen · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:06 am Post subject:

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Make sure you get across the idea that they "shouldn't try this at home"...

McMahon and company have made billions in profits over the years.

The work schedule for their "superstars" is brutal. They need to rotate their talent roster and give everyone enough time off to recuperate.

They definitely should regularly test the wrestlers for brain and heart ailments, and they should dramatically upgrade their drug-screening procedures.

Although they generally get paid well, the WWE wrestlers are not provided with any health insurance.

One of the participants in the www.betweetheropes.com discussion makes the point that even Disney World theme park employees have a 24 hour hot-line available to assist them with stress-related pyschological issues to prevent them from mentally snapping...

Apparently, no professional counseling to speak of is provided for WWE athletes, who must endure a much more stressful work environment than Disney employees.

Since not enough meaningful changes have been instituted by the company for the wrestlers well-being - even after so many deaths - it's probably time for government agencies to intervene and impose some reasonable health and safety standards...

twg · Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...

pro wrestling is and always has been a circus sideshow run by carnies. The performers are little more than performing dogs to the companies.

While this casts a bad light on wrestling, in a year of two it'll be near forgotten and unspoken of.

cangel · Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

A big new twist...

Troll_Bait · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject:

It may be just a bizarre coincidence.

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20031

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Here's a link to McMahon's latest response (and notice how the media report quotes him out of context in their provocative heading "WWE's Chairman calls Benoit a 'monster"...) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19474972/

SMKOREA · Joined: 29 Nov 2005

what a load of sh*t from McMahon. I guess he's unaware these guys are taking steroids.

Alyallen · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

I saw some of my wrestling fan students today. They asked if I knew that Benoit died. I thought it was a strange choice of words since those boys definitely know the word kill. So I wonder what the Korean press has reported and if my boys actually understood what happened....