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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Does it not seem odd that for some reason US citizens have the "right" to a free fire service but not a free health service? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| . Have you ever been in a hospital in Canada, the UK or France? They offere top notch service (for free to boot), which is more than you can say if you're in the US without health insurance/insured by an HMO. You wouldn't be paying more taxes. It's a matter of budgeting properly (ie. making sure less of your taxes makes its way into the pockets of military contracters (which is a good thing,right?)). |
France probably has the world'd best heatlh care. Britain and Canada=long long waits for treatment (triage). I wouldn't call that top-notch. But free goes a long way to alleviating that lack of top-notchedness. |
You're joking, right? You're just repeating that because that's what you've been told. You wait about 30 minutes to see a doctor. I've never waited more than an hour. Basically, you'll wait for a medical procedure if it needs to be done in the operating room and if your illness isn't life-threatening, but after a few weeks you'll get it done...which is more than you can say about the US, where you'll get it done right away if you want to pay through the teeth for it (don't count on your medical insurance to pay for it either: they'd rather deny your request than lose 50000$). |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...I live in the US, it is the country I am most concerned with criticizing because its improvements help me the most (I'm selfish). Therefore I have no problem pointing out better systems than ours (again, to make my own country better, and help me). |
Very fine. But, as BJWD already asked you, what are the social, economic, and political costs France's "better system" entails? And is that the course you advocate for Americans: to be more like France?
And, by the way, what does this have to do with America's fine tradition of philanthropy and giving? How do America's health-care problems undermine this? |
So, are Americans living better and longer than the French? Are the French really paying far more taxes than the American? Is the French economy really that bad? Are race relations much worse in France than in the US? No, no, no, and no. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| No, no, no, and no. |
America and Americans have an admirable tradition of philanthropy and giving. That is this thread's point.
Why are you, Julius, Wangja, and others so squirmish about this, so eager to find ways to undermine it, or establish that France or some other nation or culture is morally superior to America, or whatever?
You are Canadian, aren't you, Hollywoodaction? Relax. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| As it was in the beginning...so shall it be in the end..USA ROCKS! |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| No, no, no, and no. |
America and Americans have an admirable tradition of philanthropy and giving. That is this thread's point.
Why are you, Julius, Wangja, and others so squirmish about this, so eager to find ways to undermine it, or establish that France or some other nation or culture is morally superior to America, or whatever?
You are Canadian, aren't you, Hollywoodaction? Relax. |
Bloody 'ell. Mr G, what have I said that ruffled your feathers? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
America and Americans have an admirable tradition of philanthropy and giving. That is this thread's point.
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Maybe, somewhere deep down, that was the point. It was buried under the tone, which screamed at full volume: GUESS WHAT, KOFI ANNAN + CO????????? AMERICA IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING EVEN AT THINGS WHICH WE'RE NOT TRADITIONALLY KNOWN TO BE SUPERIOR BUT OUR SUPERIORITY IS SUCH THAT WE MEET AND EXCEED EXPECTATIONS IN CAPACITIES THAT BLOW YOUR MIND YOU PEACE HUMPING LIMEY/CANUCK TROTSKYISTS!--which is jingo-baiting if I've ever seen it. Your mannered distillation notwithstanding. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| As it was in the beginning...so shall it be in the end.. |
In that case, Mesopotamia/ modern day Iraq rocks! |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ...jingo-baiting. |
Oh, is that all. I happen to know for a fact that at least one rather large, feathered poster on this board escaped her aviary, nests here, and from time to time engages in a little "jingo-baiting" of her own.
Now that I know you object to this "jingo-baiting" on principle, I expect to see you take shots at her threads, too.  |
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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so in fact this shows that americans are the thickest in the world when it comes to churches, yes i really envy americans for having so many millionaires taking your disposable money in the name of god
bunch of fat cunts that you are |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...jingo-baiting. |
Oh, is that all. I happen to know for a fact that at least one rather large, feathered poster on this board escaped her aviary, nests here, and from time to time engages in a little "jingo-baiting" of her own.
Now that I know you object to this "jingo-baiting" on principle, I expect to see you take shots at her threads, too. |
You are a clever bastard, gophy. God Bless. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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so in fact this shows that americans are the thickest in the world when it comes to churches, yes i really envy americans for having so many millionaires taking your disposable money in the name of god
bunch of fat *beep* that you are |
Ah yes, and the UK is just full of healthy, skinny people...with good teeth!
You're a fucking eurotrash troll. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| No, no, no, and no. |
America and Americans have an admirable tradition of philanthropy and giving. That is this thread's point.
Why are you, Julius, Wangja, and others so squirmish about this, so eager to find ways to undermine it, or establish that France or some other nation or culture is morally superior to America, or whatever?
You are Canadian, aren't you, Hollywoodaction? Relax. |
Don't have to be French to feel that there is no humor in French-bashing. Besides, have you ever asked yourself why the American media bashes the French so much? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| ...have you ever asked yourself why the American media bashes the French so much? |
How long are you going to make me wait...? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...jingo-baiting. |
Oh, is that all. I happen to know for a fact that at least one rather large, feathered poster on this board escaped her aviary, nests here, and from time to time engages in a little "jingo-baiting" of her own.
Now that I know you object to this "jingo-baiting" on principle, I expect to see you take shots at her threads, too. |
Speak of the Devil and she surely will appear...  |
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