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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: Public School Camp Contracts |
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I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Public School Camp Contracts |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
That sucks that your only making 3,000w an hour. I'm working 2 week with 5 classes a day, at 20,000w per class. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Public School Camp Contracts |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
You have the ability to refuse the camp. Your contract specifically states that you only work for 8 hours in a day and no weekends or stat holidays.
That means you get to go home at night.
You have 2 choices - Accept the crap terms or stand on your contract and tell them to piss off.
They can't force you to do anything you don't want to do (especially if they would lose at the labor board) and they won't fire you over it because they can't replace you and they would get smacked by the labor board for that too.
LEARN TO SAY NO when they hand you crap.
9-5, monday to friday and a max of 20 contact hours per week during a camp. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Just checked my contract. It says I must do 'conversation classes at summer and winter camps'. And the all inclusive nasty: 'other duties as directed by the .......'.
Jeez, when I came to Korea to teach English I never dreamed I'd be using my university education, work and business experience, and language teaching qualifications to tell bedtime stories to middle schoolers (part of camp duties).
What are these clowns thinking? No wonder experienced teachers don't re-sign. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like hell. They have to pay you hourly for the classes and can't expect you to be available 24 hours/day. There has to be a set schedule within a certain time frame. Shared accomodations isn't acceptable. Not being able to go anywhere is the same as prison.
Tell them to fk off. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Public School Camp Contracts |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
I ws recently 'offered' a contract to work at an 'intensive' summer vacation camp run by a DOE district. I used 'offered' loosely - in fact, many teachers have been coersed into doing this camp.
The camp contract had several major points of contention.
First, there are no sick leave provisions (paid or not). We were told that we'd be covered by the medical insurance we pay in existing PUBLIC contracts. But can an existing contract be used when you sign another contract with a district office under the umbrella of your existing employer???????
Second, If a teacher resigns during the camp, they are not paid for ANY work or attendance. The contract was full of provisions about written and verbal warnings - terminations etc.
Third, we are to attend 24 hours a day - 7 days a week - for 3 weeks. Teachers aren't allowed to leave the camp at weekends.
There is not scheduled 'alone' time. You have to share a room with your Western co-teacher.
Fourth, net pay is very low - 72,000 a 24 hour day (for 19 straight days). All payment is taxable. This works out at about 3,000 won an hour (on top of regular salary). But regular salary is paid if you just sit on your butt at school and don't work camp.
Fifth, we are promised an extra 5 days paid annual leave for working the camp. But working camp we lose 4 days (2 weekends). In my opinion we are therefore only getting 1 days extra leave.
Sixth, there are no hours stipulated in the contract. It just stipulates TIME, e.g., the period of employment shall be (start date ) to (finish date). Theoretically, we can be made to teach all day and at night - and will be fired for not doing so. The current schedule is determined on ALL slots being filled by teachers - and ALL teachers attending (and staying) at the camp (not likely).
I'd appreciate any advice on this type of contract. I have no experience with camps. It sounds like we are being abused here because we don't have the ability to say no when our employer (DOE) says it's mandatory. |
How were you forced into doing this camp? Did someone hold a gun to your head? Just say NO.
Your orginal contract should state your hours (8:30 to 4:30 or 9-5). That's what you signed on for and you should hold them to it. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
Just No wonder experienced teachers don't re-sign. |
I am an experienced teacher and I am re-signing for a third year at my school. Then again I don't let anyone push me around...there's plenty of other jobs available if they want to be jerks. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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