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gmlkoreanna



Joined: 23 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: If u R young white & you are alright? Reply with quote

Good morning..
I was looking through an esl job site this morning, check out the header on this advertisement, not to mention the contents. Sounds like this little young lady, needs some fan mail educating her about prejudice behavior? I wouldn't want this girl to be in charge of my marketing department. That's one BIG LIABILITY!!!


"No Logo"
http://www.bdkidsclub.com
"No Photo"
Organization Name: "Kids Club"
Business Licence:
CEO Name: Gina Song
Contact Number: 031-718-0544
Fax Number:
Address: Good Morning Plaza, Gumi-Dong, Bundang




Job Information

[b]
Job Title: If U R YOUNG & WHITE, U R ALRIGHT @ Bundang Kids Club!!!
Job Category: ESL / Language [/b]Salary Offered: KRW 2500000 per Month
Overtime Pay Offered: 18
Start Date: August 27 (possibly earlier)
Number of Positions Offered: 1
Working Hours/Month: 0
Type of Positions: Full-time
Job Location: Gyunggi
Housing Offered: Single Housing - Furnished
Benefits Offered: Round-trip Airfare, Medical Insurance, Paid Vacation, Year-end Bonus
Teaching Level (If applicable): Kindergarden, Grade School, Junior High School
Contact Name: Gina Song
Contact Email Address: [email protected]



Job Description


Wonderful kids! Salary negotiable. Excellent housing in Ori-Station area. Paid vacation. Optional medical insurance. Lunch provided at school. Year-end bonus (if you complete one year). Round-trip airfare to overseas applicants (return ticket only after one-year of employment). Beautiful, modern area. No experience necessary. Come and join the fun!

Please read the following information. Then, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to call Gina Song any time, seven days a week, at 011-9334-4303. Otherwise, to apply, simply email resume with recent, full-body color photo (videos also welcome!) and introduction to [email protected]. We look forward to your response!

We are looking for young (20's), cheerful (smile!) teachers who fit our image of native English-speakers/Americans. By law, you must be a college graduate. Average-weight (or thin) people are preferred. Also, please, no Australians/New Zealanders/Irish/etc. Brits may be considered under special circumstances. (Of course no non-native English speakers or ethnic minorities.) Korean citizens/Kyopos with native-like English skills may be hired temporarily, and college degree is not required of them.

One-year contract required (by law). Please note, however, that cultural differences exist with respect to contracts. Here is a quote from http://www.aacircle.com.au/teach-in-korea.htm :
"English teachers in Korea occasionally have contract disputes with their employers. In the Korean context, a contract is simply a rough working agreement, subject to change depending upon the circumstances. Most Koreans do not view deviations from a contract as a breach of contract, and few Koreans would consider taking an employer to court over a contract dispute." We don't think you will take us to court, either!

On a lighter note, our current foreign teachers are great to work with. Just ask Gina for contact info to find out first-hand what the teachers think about working at Bundang Kids Club! ^^

(Not necessarily affiliated with other institutes that also use the name, "Kids Club".)
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Areut



Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Location: Behind You!!!!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as this post: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=91679 Love the heading!!!!!
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't "Kids Clubs" notorious Crapwons?
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gmlkoreanna



Joined: 23 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: BY THE WAY Reply with quote

THE LADY THAT POST THIS LUCKY STAR AD, IS THE COMPANY'S CEO? GO FIGURE!!!!
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TheBrain



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Acme Lab

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmlkoreanna, you read that ad and your only problem is "prejudice"? How about the part that reads
Quote:
"English teachers in Korea occasionally have contract disputes with their employers. In the Korean context, a contract is simply a rough working agreement, subject to change depending upon the circumstances. Most Koreans do not view deviations from a contract as a breach of contract, and few Koreans would consider taking an employer to court over a contract dispute." We don't think you will take us to court, either!



See anything wrong with that part? Rolling Eyes
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: If u R young white & you are alright? Reply with quote

How about the other fallacies you can read about from this link:

gmlkoreanna wrote:
One-year contract required (by law). Please note, however, that cultural differences exist with respect to contracts. Here is a quote from http://www.aacircle.com.au/teach-in-korea.htm :


Click on the link and you will see gems such as:

"Hakwons
Private language institutes are found all over Korea... The average salary is currently about 1.5 million won per month."

"Taxes
The tax year in Korea is from June 1 to May 31. The tax rate is from 5 to 10%."

Oh boy... Rolling Eyes
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="
Quote:
"English teachers in Korea occasionally have contract disputes with their employers. In the Korean context, a contract is simply a rough working agreement, subject to change depending upon the circumstances. Most Koreans do not view deviations from a contract as a breach of contract, and few Koreans would consider taking an employer to court over a contract dispute." We don't think you will take us to court, either!




Not true. My previous co-teacher took a Korean private school to the Labor Board and won. Not all K's are prepared to roll over.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Aren't "Kids Clubs" notorious Crapwons?

Well my very first school was a Kids Club and they were very very awful.

As far as the OP goes, most hagwons don't say that but most mean it. Your photo matters at least as much as your resume at most hagwons.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: If u R young white & you are alright? Reply with quote

gmlkoreanna wrote:


Job Title: If U R YOUNG & WHITE, U R ALRIGHT @ Bundang Kids Club!!!

We are looking for young (20's), cheerful (smile!) teachers who fit our image of native English-speakers/Americans. By law, you must be a college graduate. Average-weight (or thin) people are preferred. Also, please, no Australians/New Zealanders/Irish/etc. Brits may be considered under special circumstances. (Of course no non-native English speakers or ethnic minorities.) Korean citizens/Kyopos with native-like English skills may be hired temporarily, and college degree is not required of them.


I think it's great. It would make me feel empowered in a "I get to drink from this fountain and eat at these establishments because of my heritage" kind of way. It would be like being part of a club...a Kid's Club!

However:


Quote:

One-year contract required (by law). Please note, however, that cultural differences exist with respect to contracts. Here is a quote from http://www.aacircle.com.au/teach-in-korea.htm :
"English teachers in Korea occasionally have contract disputes with their employers. In the Korean context, a contract is simply a rough working agreement, subject to change depending upon the circumstances. Most Koreans do not view deviations from a contract as a breach of contract, and few Koreans would consider taking an employer to court over a contract dispute." We don't think you will take us to court, either!



translates to me as "In the white teacher you are so fortunate to be endowed with based on your selective prejudicial criteria context, a written contract is a binding document equivalent to that which is etched in stone. A deviation is a breach that leads to consequences and loopholes exist to be exploited"
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Grimalkin



Joined: 22 May 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still....


2500000 won a month is not bad for 0 working hours!

Quote:
Job Category: ESL / Language [/b]Salary Offered: KRW 2500000 per Month
Overtime Pay Offered: 18
Start Date: August 27 (possibly earlier)
Number of Positions Offered: 1
Working Hours/Month: 0



I'd even be prepared to start early for that. Smile
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The director, Gina Song, is the nastiest, meanist, and cheapest director I have ever known. I worked for her a few years ago in Bundang. God help the sucker who takes the job...because no one else can help them.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After looking at the website, it's safe to say "God forbid I'd ever work at a place like that"

If I did, I would be piss drunk every night and come to class like a hungover clown at a birthday party. I'd be the scandalous foreign teacher seen walking down the street with his pants around his knees and a bottle of Johnnie Walker in his hand at 2:30 am, always looking crosseyed in the class.

Lord save all of you who teach children in Korea. Best of luck to you. Really.
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koon_taung_daeng



Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Location: south korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well im young and white and i think its freaking disgusting the way the advertise that crap, is that illegal here because in the states if your were to advertise like that you would get soooooo sued.
I will never work at a kids club because of this advertisement
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shantaram



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, none of these kids going to this school will ever think of going to New Zealand, Australia or heaven forbid Britain or Ireland when they are older. Nor will they ever see or have to deal with a dreaded 'ethnic minority'. Really they're just getting the best education they can!

Gina Song should be barred from entering those countries.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

koon_taung_daeng wrote:
well im young and white and i think its freaking disgusting the way the advertise that crap, is that illegal here because in the states if your were to advertise like that you would get soooooo sued.
I will never work at a kids club because of this advertisement


It's actually a violation of the Republic of Korea constitution. Sadly, enforcement is a joke.

If someone were to advertise like that in the States, they would be fined for violating the laws relating to advertising of employment positions. If they rejected an applicant because they didn't meet those prejudicial requirements, the employer would be fined by the government and sued by the applicant.

Oh, here's a nifty story about Koreans and the Labor Board. The scummy place where I worked two years ago tried every trick imaginable to not pay what they owed to me and another foreigner after our contracts expired and we walked on them. The boss had the manager do all of her legwork with the Labor Board case. The manager was nearly in tears one day when I was lambasting him for what he was doing (assisting the boss's unethical stunts). He whined, "But what will the boss do to me if you two don't drop the case?" My response was: "Well, you can always go to the Labor Board for help."
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