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[Mosley]

Here's another link:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/28/review.sicko/index.html

Although he gives the film a "thumbs up", he points out that systems like the Canadian one are far from perfect. I'll also wager a month's pay that Moore never asked a Canadian what he/ she thinks of taxation in Canada...you know, the taxation that pays for "free" health care.

And I loved the bit about "Soviet propaganda"! Indeed, Moore's tour of a Cuban hospital reminds me of G. B. Shaw touring villages in Russia in the 1930s....

[Hollywoodaction]

[pkang0202]

US military spending is protecting Canada too. I know a few Canadians from Alberta that agree.

[Mosley]

Hollywood: Are you telling me that it's common for an American to pay 13% sales tax for an item as is the case in my home province(and the GST and PST have been reduced in recent years!)??

[pkang0202]

Richmond, Va - Sales tax is 4.5%

In Delaware they pay no sales tax.

[Hollywoodaction]

[Hollywoodaction]

[endo]

[Mosley]

Hollywood: "That's just sales tax." That's like saying "that's just extortion". How in the hell can you shrug your shoulders like that?

Even your cherry-picked stats table shows clearly that the U.S. tax regime is much kinder to families than is the case in the Great White North.

"Free" Canadian health care my ass.

http://www.taxpayer.com/main/news.php?news_id=2591

[ajgeddes]

[Mosley]

Actually, Moore and socialist propagandists like to spout the "socialized medicine is 'free' " line.

[Juregen]

[Mosley]

I would have given you a serious reply, drunken monk, but I'll let you sober up so grammar, syntax and spelling actually make sense to you....

[sojourner1]

Wow, a big topic, we could write books on this one.....

Uh, many corporations have a whole lot more buying power than today's US government. The corporations are really in control of the big picture, while the government provides law enforcement to protect corporate profit interests. That is, to control Americans as a money farm for the corporations to fleece us for what we got. (funny thing that while American corporations fleece us, more dollars just leave America due to massive amounts of imports, thus, setting the stage for a poor America to come about later on) This common scenario runs across all sectors today, but health care is the big big one. It's not about providing all deserving good citizens health care, it's about providing state of the art geriatrics in prolonging retirees lives to function as cash cows. Yes, the retirees don't mind being big fat cash cows since they get to live longer while kicking back and relaxing knowing that everything is being taken care of. Ditto for the younger adults struggling to make decent careers though, not even adequate paying jobs due to massive off shoring of jobs and global economics pushing the value of educated capable employees down.

It kind goes today, you're either high paid and fully insured or you're low paid and uninsured (and in debt) though there still are still a few exceptions. I got a feeling that in our generation, receiving health care and a retirement will depend on our net financial worth, not government programs like Medicaid and Medicare. It will take allot more than what you can make at your average job, it will take millions of dollars if you want to retire and have adequate health care. I am not too crazy about the finance and economics situation of today compared to what previous generations realized such as the baby boomers and their parents.

I talk about money, economics, and jobs since this determines if your eligibility for health care. If you notice, a whole lot is not mentioned in SICKO that correlates with the health care industry. A whole lot of business, economics, politics, global ventures, profit motives, etc. , all intertwine together to make what it is today. I can't believe Moore didn't outright say that old people are being kept alive as cash machines. (which I believe is the truth to Americas health care industry) People often look at a problem, but fail to find all the different facts to the underlying problem and end up with a solution nothing more than a band-aid. This is what makes societal issues so complex and virtually unsolvable, especially in a behemoth like America.

It may also be true that socialized countries will not be able to continue to pay for all this health care since this burdens their operating efficiency in the global economy. A country has to be lean, mean, and efficient if they're going to be a competitive country for multinational business ventures to operate in for welcoming new money and opportunities. Americas health care industry is one of the very few sectors creating new wealth among it's citizens since they can't outsource that to Asia although there is a new trend coming about to bring new nurses from abroad since there are not enough American nurses to take care of the baby boomers retirement care needs. We are talking cheap cheap cheap nurses. Since socialist countries have laws requiring all this health care like they do today, then multinational corporations won't come to set up shop since it's cheaper to employ people elsewhere like in India or China. Like in America, in this new competitive age, it's survival of the financial fittest, not what is humane. It appears that allot is to be determined for younger adults today based on inheriting money or if they are a good investors in building small amounts up over the years such as investing the 12 m Won you might save teaching in Korea each year and getting super lucky to realize your dream of independence. Again, I speak of personal finance and economics since this will, I believe, determine whether we will have health care and retirement as we age in the next 20 to 30 years.

Having insurance is very most important and not even Koreas' health care insurance is adequate should you fall ill with a terminal condition or need a surgery, because the more serious it is, the more Won it costs. While Koreas' system is semi socialist, it is designed for efficiency by costing patients more Won when seeking care. A characteristic of corporate systems.

Michael Moore sure left allot out of the movie that should had been included...........

[yingwenlaoshi]