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How I got totally screwed over by my public school
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TiGrBaLm



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Hubcap of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: How I got totally screwed over by my public school Reply with quote

A little background before I get started:

I began work at my public school on January 15th of this year.

On the 30th of May I informed my school by way of a written resignation letter that I was going to return home at the end of July due to personal matters (medical issue w/family member). Note that this is 2 FULL MONTHS of notice (2 times more than what I am required to give according to contract)

I was informed on June 11th that I was to provide proof of illness by June 30th otherwise I would have to pay a "contract cancellation" fee. Note that there is no mention of this "fee" in the contract (standard EPIK contract)

In the meantime, I booked a ticket for the 1st of august to leave for Canada since tickets for that date were all gone or very pricey I bought one last week.

I asked my family to send some sort of documentation, which arrived here on monday of last week.

I gave in the letter and today was informed...drumroll please!

"TiGrBaLm (CT pulls out dictionary cuz her fvcking english blows) I talked to my principal on the weekend, and he decided to lay you off on the 10th of this month (WTF!?!?!), also please make sure you give me enough money to pay your bills before you leave"
I was understandably flustered and angered but managed to keep my cool, and told her of my predicament. She then tells me that I can stay here until the 20th but I will only be paid up until the 10th. I ask her about the deposit I paid for the 1st three months, she tells me that I will get it all back before I leave and what about paying the ticket, she tells me I don't have to pay it back, but I inform her that since you have terminated me before my 6 months are up I am bound to pay it back. She tells me she told "her" principal that it would be difficult for me to pay it back (fvck yes!) so I dont have to pay it back.

Now, I haven't had the greatest experience out here in the sticks of korea but this takes the cake and has def' soured any view of koreans I had. I've lived in Japan for a year and worked on JET and let me tell you, the Japanese and Japan are 1000X better than this poor excuse for an OECD nation.

I'd appreciate it if anyone can give me any sort of advice in this situation.

Cheers


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shantaram



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Japan when you have finished at your school and hang out there for a while, then come back and hook up with your flight home.

If you can't afford that, make a trip to China and hang out in Beijing or Shandong for a while. You'll need to arrange a visa for that however.

Anyway, cut your losses at your school and spend some time thinking about your family member. Then go back on the ticket you originally bought.
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shifdog



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From other horror stories on this board, it could be worse. It's definitely not great. shantaram's idea is good.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and Good Faith - Newsflash! they have NONE Reply with quote

TiGrBaLm wrote:
A little background before I get started:

I began work at my public school on January 15th of this year.

On the 30th of May I informed my school by way of a written resignation letter that I was going to return home at the end of July due to personal matters (medical issue w/family member). Note that this is 2 FULL MONTHS of notice (2 times more than what I am required to give according to contract)

I was informed on June 11th that I was to provide proof of illness by June 30th otherwise I would have to pay a "contract cancellation" fee. Note that there is no mention of this "fee" in the contract (standard EPIK contract)

In the meantime, I booked a ticket for the 1st of august to leave for Canada since tickets for that date were all gone or very pricey I bought one last week.

I asked my family to send some sort of documentation, which arrived here on monday of last week.

I gave in the letter and today was informed...drumroll please!

"TiGrBaLm (CT pulls out dictionary cuz her fvcking english blows) I talked to my principal on the weekend, and he decided to lay you off on the 10th of this month (WTF!?!?!), also please make sure you give me enough money to pay your bills before you leave"
I was understandably flustered and angered but managed to keep my cool, and told her of my predicament. She then tells me that I can stay here until the 20th but I will only be paid up until the 10th. I ask her about the deposit I paid for the 1st three months, she tells me that I will get it all back before I leave and what about paying the ticket, she tells me I don't have to pay it back, but I inform her that since you have terminated me before my 6 months are up I am bound to pay it back. She tells me she told "her" principal that it would be difficult for me to pay it back (fvck yes!) so I dont have to pay it back.

Now, I haven't had the greatest experience out here in the sticks of korea but this takes the cake and has def' soured any view of koreans I had. I've lived in Japan for a year and worked on JET and let me tell you, the Japanese and Japan are 1000X better than this poor excuse for an OECD nation.

I'd appreciate it if anyone can give me any sort of advice in this situation.

Cheers


Maybe you have to leave because they told EPIK that you were leaving..who then cut off their funding for you?

As for the contract cancellation fee...I would have just pulled out my contract and showed them that there is no mention of any such fee.

You win some and you lose some. Tell me, if they had let you stay until your departure date but insisted that you pay back the airfare would you still be angry?

Sounds to me that you got the better half of the deal and here's why.

You have to find a place for 11 days until you leave correct? 20 of July to the first day of August? There are very nice places for 40,000 won a night all over Korea. Let's say you pay 50,000 won. 50,000 won * 11=550,000 won. Still a whole lot less than the airfare.

Sounds to me that they are going out of their way as much as possible. Maybe they need you to leave on the 20th because that's when a new teacher might be arriving? Or maybe there's some other reason.


Get a Korean friend to help you and find a yogwan. You should be able to find something relatively cheap but still nice enough to stay for 11 days.

If they were letting you stay until you left but made you pay back the airfare (which they are entitled to do as per the contract) you'd be losing about 2x as much money if not more.
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TiGrBaLm



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Hubcap of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going out of their way?

Sure, by fvcking me out of 2 million won, and giving me a WEEKS notice?

Indeed, they are very kind and I should be thanking the good faeries for my luck.

Who knows, they may still find a way to fvck me over. I don't trust them anymore.

I do agree that it could be worse, but hell what kind of crap is it, when you give them 2 months notice that they turn around and fvck you over like this?

Btw, its not EPIK that employs me, I was employed directly thru the school.

Korea, never again!
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hubba bubba



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure your contract says you have to be given 30 days notice. Check it.
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mack4289



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got f*cked, there's no question about it. But don't generalize about all Koreans based on one experience (or even ten or twenty experiences).

If I came on here and said, "Koreans are great people who are always willing to help out and never make you work too hard" (based on the very nice hagwan I work at now), I'd get bombarded with contradictory responses (and rightfully so).
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JJJ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
Pretty sure your contract says you have to be given 30 days notice. Check it.


You are correct that the school must give you 30 days notice or 30 days pay but how does it work if you already gave them notice? This is a interesting situation that could come up anytime with me or another waygook who is trying to be nice and let them know in advance that they are leaving.

For example, I give them 2 months notice (or even 1 month) that I am leaving on the 20th let's say and they turn around today and tell me that I am done next Tuesday, bye-bye. Did I just get fired instead? Or did they just get away with not paying me the rest of my salary because I gave notice first? What do you think, experienced posters on Dave's?

Anywho, get out next Tuesday, stay in your place until the 20th. Go tour in Korea, ship your stuff home, after the 20th, go on a little vacation in Thailand, or China, come back and take your flight home on the 1st.
Good luck and I hope your family situation works out for the best.
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TiGrBaLm



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Hubcap of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, its hard not generalize about Koreans when all I've had are bad experiences in this country.

I managed to get my ticket changed to next week for 100,000 won (much cheaper than having to stay here an extra however many days).

Yes. I'd also like to know what the hell just happened. Have I been fired or what?

I really wish I could screw them over somehow, but I am above that and in the end everything will balance out (I hope).

Oh and if anyone out there is thinking of applying to work at some public school in Haman county in gyeongnam, think AGAIN.

Cheerio
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Caipirinha



Joined: 15 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to second the last comment about avoiding Haman County in GyungNam Province!!!! I think that the situation there now is not secure enough to go there. The teacher who replaced me recently got out of there as it got to be too much.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have to give you 30 days...it should be written in your contract, hold them to it or make them pay you out. As for the LOR, if they don't want to give it to you, you can't force them. If you're tactful, maybe you can work something out (accept the early resignation in an exchange for an LOR).

You said "Korea, never again", if you mean it, you don't need an LOR. Just go.

A lesson learned for everyone else: don't be nice and give anymore notice than you have to. If your contract says give 30days notice, then give exactly that and no more.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a teacher that left hanam county in gyeongnam last week...

they lost his diplomna but denied all responsibility and kept passing the buck....
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More his fault for letting them "hold" it.... Laughing
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
More his fault for letting them "hold" it.... Laughing

he gave it to them to give to immigration...

When he asked for it back a little later they said immigration lost it...

That is a flat out lie as immigration don't hold the degrees and the school basically lost it...

he left after 6 months of stupidness....
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TiGrBaLm



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Hubcap of Asia

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I know a teacher that left hanam county in gyeongnam last week...

they lost his diplomna but denied all responsibility and kept passing the buck....


Yup I knew him too, they lost his IRREPLACEABLE diploma, and since his school no longer exists, he's pretty much SOL.

Please get the word out about Haman county
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