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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Try to check the credentials of English teachers Reply with quote

Try to check the credentials of English teachers

Koreans should pay more attention to who teaches them English, according to David Nunan, president of Anaheim University and former president of Tesol Inc. (Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages), an international education association. Nunan sold 200 million books related to English teaching in recent years.

Nunan said private schools are employing people who are not qualified. �This is a big problem and creates negative effects. Just because you can speak doesn�t mean you can teach. I wouldn�t cross a bridge made by someone who is not an engineer. Teaching is a profession,� he said.

The quality of English teaching is down because of the explosion in demand for English teachers. �People can�t keep up with global demand,� Nunan said. He said there are some schools that only recruit native speakers instead of people trained to teach English. �The quality is poor because they don�t have any training. Parents should evaluate the schools and the criteria for employing teachers.�

Nunan said good teachers of English don�t necessarily have to be foreigners. �There are advantages to having Korean teachers. In Hong Kong, the local teachers get good results. They know the cultural context that the kids are coming from.�

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2877489

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Has anyone else noted the decreasing quality of teachers in Korea? There are some people that I work with that would not be able to find suitable employment in the UK. Any others have opinion of teachers within Korea as well as the quality of schools in Korea?
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: Try to check the credentials of English teachers Reply with quote

[quote
Nunan said good teachers of English don�t necessarily have to be foreigners. �There are advantages to having Korean teachers. In Hong Kong, the local teachers get good results. They know the cultural context that the kids are coming from.�quote]

That's fine a dandy, except I have seen far to many k teachers teaching the same mistakes they make, to their students. Most of the k teachers I have met have terrible pronunciation and constantly misuse the r/th/l just to name a few. No one is perfect, even native English speakers, however, I have sat in on some highfalutin� board meetings over the years and have been embarrassed at many korean CEOs� pronunciation and use of grammar from having been taught by so called expert Koreans who teach the English language.
I am against any foreigner teaching a language that is not their native tongue unless they have spent years and years living in a foreign country learning and knowing the idioms, etc.
How many times have you cringed when you heard k teachers speaking English...and you know it's not correct!
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babtangee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach English to Korean English teachers. Who would have thunk it?
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spliff



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nunan's a numbnutz.
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Woland



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Nunan is right.

The key issue is professional training of teachers. I've met many Korean teachers who are quite good at helping their students learn, even if their English is markedly non-native (idioms, btw, are way overrated as learning material). The key is that they know something about teaching, as well as about theır students. There's room for improvement here, but the casual dismissal of Koreans, as well as other non-native speakers as teachers of English reveals more about the writer than those populations.

I just spent this afternoon with a group of Turkish teachers, including some former students of mine, and can say that Korea would be better off with any of them than unqualified native speakers. An end to E2 visa restrictions by nationality would be good for professional standards in Korea.
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
Actually, Nunan is right.

The key issue is professional training of teachers. I've met many Korean teachers who are quite good at helping their students learn, even if their English is markedly non-native (idioms, btw, are way overrated as learning material). The key is that they know something about teaching, as well as about theır students. There's room for improvement here, but the casual dismissal of Koreans, as well as other non-native speakers as teachers of English reveals more about the writer than those populations.

I just spent this afternoon with a group of Turkish teachers, including some former students of mine, and can say that Korea would be better off with any of them than unqualified native speakers. An end to E2 visa restrictions by nationality would be good for professional standards in Korea.


E2 allows for non native people with a uni degree in english language to teach in korea
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Saxiif



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
Actually, Nunan is right.

The key issue is professional training of teachers. I've met many Korean teachers who are quite good at helping their students learn, even if their English is markedly non-native (idioms, btw, are way overrated as learning material). The key is that they know something about teaching, as well as about theır students. There's room for improvement here, but the casual dismissal of Koreans, as well as other non-native speakers as teachers of English reveals more about the writer than those populations.

I just spent this afternoon with a group of Turkish teachers, including some former students of mine, and can say that Korea would be better off with any of them than unqualified native speakers. An end to E2 visa restrictions by nationality would be good for professional standards in Korea.


The main problem with Korean teachers isn't their lack of fluency its their outdated pedagogy. You can't teach a language by lecturing about it in another language and having people fill out worksheets and expect people to learn anything no matter your level of proficiency in that language.
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Thiuda



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with both Nunan, as well as Woland's follow up post to the OP. It is not necessary to be a native speaker of the target language to be an effective teacher thereof.

One thing that I've found makes a big difference to language instruction, is the teacher's ability to speak a second language. Monolingual language teachers are less able to anticipate students' problems in language acquisition and consequently often do not pick up on students' real needs. Having worked in Germany, where, like myself, most English instructors are non-native speakers, I was able to identify a further benefit non-native speaking teachers offer their students; a more comprehensive understanding of the target language's grammar. I think it is appalling how many native speakers of English are unable to identify the lexical categories of English, explain the different tenses, or define what a subject/object is.

Regardless of Nunan being right or wrong; native speakers are here to stay. In order to improve the system, I suggest that native speakers be given incentives to stay, improve their skill set, and acquire Korean. This might be done through pay increases, or by providing native speaking teachers with better visas if they can prove they've added qualifications in their time in Korea. Also, it might be in the nations interest if it provided native speakers with real career opportunities, i.e. making them fully qualified teachers that are provided the same benefits as their Korean counterparts. It is not fair to say that native speakers are second rate teachers when the Korean system contrives to keep them as such. Korea needs to start providing equal opportunities to all educators.
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