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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: Did anyone teach in Canada? |
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Has anyone taught in a Canadian classroom? If so, how was your experience? I know that teachers in Quebec get very burned out and often quit. I did hear many of the ones in Ontario felt, in the past, to be under the gun.... How is the atmosphere back there regarding that? |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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I taught in a classroom in Canada.
The enormous amount of prep-work, the large classes and the tense admin/parent relationships made me reconsider teaching in a public school context. |
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mikekim
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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QU and Ontario suck balls. Ontario especially. The country schools are nice as you have very tight knit communities and very strong moral values. But the closer to the city you get the immigrant problem becomes just ridiculous. You end up teaching ESL anyways. I had so many immigrants on welfare getting bored in class so they started fights and doing anything to get attention. Calls to the parents are useless as they don't speak English and don't seem to care either. Great!!! Really screws things up for everyone else. Its the same in Quebec, but on a much lower scale. There are poor kids and immigrants, but nothing like metro Toronto or big ghetto schools. Even ghetto schools in Ottawa and smaller cities are turning into crap. My advice teach private if you can, catholic board if you can. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I have taught in a city school.
I have taught in a rural school-I far prefer rural students, although parent expectations are higher.
It's a cropshoot in Thunder Bay-you've got more in the lower economic strata, and Dennis Cromarty High School busses in Natives from the surrounding communities... |
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cosmicgirlie

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I worked--not as a teacher but as a Child and Youth Counsellor(social worker for under grade --in a large Ontario School Board and I can tell you it's sh*t work...the teachers are totally burned out--although mine was in a 'bigger' city--rural areas are different though--the teachers are not so burnt out!!
I have heard though that teaching in the Territories can be profitable and rewarding--Try Northwest or the Yukon--you get 'northern pay'. If you're going to teach try Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, or Manitobia...avoid Alberta like the plague--it's turning into Ontario like--haven't heard much about Sask or BC....PEI might be interesting...lots of laid back folk. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. ESL teaching in Quebec in French school boards, mostly CSMB. I don't recommend public schools.
Yes, many teachers do burn out early. |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't want to go to the Yukon or wherever. I am thinking considering my experience in teaching and the experience of others I would be better off getting my M.A. in psychology and deal with people one on one. I was thinking how sometimes Canadians and Americans want immigrants to take jobs they don't want to do. Well, Canadians don't really want to teach the kids who are not being raised properly by their parents in too many cases, but the immigrants wouldn't really want to do that either.... I think something needs to change in terms of making sure these kids actually have healthy, stable lives and decent personalities. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Did anyone teach in Canada? |
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Adventurer wrote: |
Has anyone taught in a Canadian classroom? |
Eight years in the Ontario HS system. It suckedway back then and I got fed up and left. Then it got raped by the Harris government, so I can't imagine the horror it would be to teach there now. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I taught in rural saskatchewan. It was great.
I have a half dozen friends teaching in edmonton; all of then with between 1-6 years experience. They all say it's hard work but they all love it. I'm not sure how it compares to what other people have gone through but they all find the hard (and copious amounts of) work manageable.
What sort of things led to all of y'all being burnt out?
From what I've heard, once you get all your unit plans together for the classes you teach (1 year if you're REALLY luck, 5-8 if you're not) it all becomes a LOT easier. |
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Lao Wai

Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Location: East Coast Canada
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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khyber wrote: |
I taught in rural saskatchewan. It was great.
I have a half dozen friends teaching in edmonton; all of then with between 1-6 years experience. They all say it's hard work but they all love it. I'm not sure how it compares to what other people have gone through but they all find the hard (and copious amounts of) work manageable.
What sort of things led to all of y'all being burnt out?
From what I've heard, once you get all your unit plans together for the classes you teach (1 year if you're REALLY luck, 5-8 if you're not) it all becomes a LOT easier. |
I agree. I've only ever done my practicum in New Brunswick so I can't say that I know what it's 'really' like to teach there. Still, from what I observed it didn't seem that bad. Besides, I have a lot of friends teaching there and they all love it. They say it can be stressful, but it's manageable. I had a friend who teaches elementary in Ontario. The first year or two, her e-mails were stress-filled rants. Now, after 5 years it's smooth sailing. |
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congee
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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What I don't understand is if teaching in Ontario is as bad as people say it is here then why is it so competitive to get a job there?
It's not uncommon these days in Ontario for part time positions to get over 400 applicants! And a lot of school boards have even stopped accepting applications for subbing positions. Unless you have qualifications in French, or a connection at a school board, you can expect to wait years to get full time work. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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What I don't understand is if teaching in Ontario is as bad as people say it is here then why is it so competitive to get a job there?
It's not uncommon these days in Ontario for part time positions to get over 400 applicants! And a lot of school boards have even stopped accepting applications for subbing positions. Unless you have qualifications in French, or a connection at a school board, you can expect to wait years to get full time work. |
Because it is still a valued job / career, which says a lot about the rest of the economy in Canada and the options available......
I taught a number of years in Ontario and have to say, teaching adults was doable, teaching in a small town, also. Teaching in the city, you have to have a good gig. My only good one was when teaching half day phys. ed and half day ESL. Perfect for two years. Teaching just in the cities, is exhausting, tiring, full of B.S. and just a "let this be over" kind of eternal feeling. Why? Essentially because teachers get zero support, they are "on" all the time. It is a job at present that you must immensely love (or detest and be such a psycho as to be able to stay in that state for whatever reason). You must love it and be self sacrificing. If not, it eats you away.....
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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My, this is an uplifting thread.  |
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congee
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Teaching just in the cities, is exhausting, tiring, full of B.S. and just a "let this be over" kind of eternal feeling. |
And what job doesn't have it's fair share of BS? ESL teacher in Korea?
Teaching in Ontario is not perfect (what job is?) but at least you have a strong union, good benefits, pension, decent salary (especially with a Master's and a few AQ courses), a voice in decisions, access to promotion and positions of responsibility, plenty of time off if you're organized. I agree with you though, unless you're totally committed to teaching don't bother wasting your time going through teachers college because you won't last very long in the profession.
As for rural schools, those boards have been closing schools and cutting staff drastically due to a lack of students/funding so good luck getting work there. The most significant group of people in Ontario having children are immigrants who tend to live in cities so if you're a new teacher with no experience teaching in Ontario (whatever you've done in Korea won't be of much value for them, in fact, you might want to leave it off your resume altogether unless you taught at a public school) that's where you're more likely to get a job. |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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congee wrote: |
What I don't understand is if teaching in Ontario is as bad as people say it is here then why is it so competitive to get a job there?
It's not uncommon these days in Ontario for part time positions to get over 400 applicants! And a lot of school boards have even stopped accepting applications for subbing positions. Unless you have qualifications in French, or a connection at a school board, you can expect to wait years to get full time work. |
I could teach French, but teaching adolescents is not as rewarding as it was when kids were actually taught manners and respect. I am not knocking the concept of educating the youth, but the major education comes from the parents, and it is not happening and teachers are limited by their schools, so it is not a win win situation in too many cases. They feel hammered by both the students and the government. I am not saying this to be negative. I think it is the reality. It doesn't mean people aren't having a great time teaching. But it is a major challenge. |
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