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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Paji eh Wong

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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I've actually had some good luck with Korean tourists. However, they've all been younger than me and not in a tour group.
And whenever I mention I live in Korea to local service workers, there is about a 20% chance they go "Oh $%^#". |
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mj roach
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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One of my favorite ways to kill time while stuck waiting in airports in other countries is
walking up to k/tour groups... getting close and staring at them like at the zoo,
looking over the shoulder of the tour leader at the papers in their hands
while they are talking to the group,
leaning in real close and looking at their clothes and into any open bag they may have,
sometimes even pointing at or fingering an item of their clothing
all the while making loud comments about how strange everything about them is
ooooh they smell strange like garlic etc.
juvenile? sure but fun |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Its interesting reading the different experiences that others have had. I might have to agree that Koreans might look down on other asians except the Japanese who they don't really love and the Chinese who they quietly fear (?).
It does have an impact on them. My country has a bad reputation for drinking but that hasn't impacted on me as to my knowledge. Though I think many Koreans are oblivious to how their actions are viewed.
The worst one I heard is a story about how Korean men when playing golf in thailand would hit their caddies (who are women) if they missed a shot. I feel that its these actions that show them in a bad light and makes it harder for others. |
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Gamecock

Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting you should mention golfing in Thailand...There are some fantastic world-class courses there with fantastic green fees, so I decided to give it a go when I was there. I was told by a Brit expat who lived there to go early, before the Korean golfers woke up from their drinking binge the night before. I thought he was only joking. The course was swamped with Koreans (I suppose a golfing tour group) who displayed zero golf etiquette. Never did they ask if they could "play through," they just acted as if you didn't even exist. Once a man literally shoved me aside at the tee so he could hit first, as if we were at a Korean buffet. Later, a Korean foursome decided to play through without permission or even the shout of "fore" (or any equivilant in Korean), a ball came out of nowhere and struck our cart mid-fairway. Soon I had an irate Korean all over me because I was in his way. The situation nearly came to blows.
Throughout that day, I saw Korean men who were abusive verbally,
although not physically,to caddies and clubhouse staff. The bar manager told me the staff had actually tried to get the owner to ban Koreans from the private club, but they brought in so much money that the owner couldn't bring himself to do it. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gamecock wrote: |
Interesting you should mention golfing in Thailand...There are some fantastic world-class courses there with fantastic green fees, so I decided to give it a go when I was there. I was told by a Brit expat who lived there to go early, before the Korean golfers woke up from their drinking binge the night before. I thought he was only joking. The course was swamped with Koreans (I suppose a golfing tour group) who displayed zero golf etiquette. Never did they ask if they could "play through," they just acted as if you didn't even exist. Once a man literally shoved me aside at the tee so he could hit first, as if we were at a Korean buffet. Later, a Korean foursome decided to play through without permission or even the shout of "fore" (or any equivilant in Korean), a ball came out of nowhere and struck our cart mid-fairway. Soon I had an irate Korean all over me because I was in his way. The situation nearly came to blows.
Throughout that day, I saw Korean men who were abusive verbally,
although not physically,to caddies and clubhouse staff. The bar manager told me the staff had actually tried to get the owner to ban Koreans from the private club, but they brought in so much money that the owner couldn't bring himself to do it. |
Well thats it..their money buys them the right to behave badly. Their attitude is that "we've worked so hard to become rich, with the entire world against us, so now lets show everyone who's boss". By their logic, the worse the behaviour you have, the higher status you must be.
The behaviour will continue because they keep getting away with it. |
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marcus61
Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Location: out on a limb
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: Koreans overseas |
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We've been on 3 group tours with Koreans.. (we are white Australians) First to Beijing.. then X'ian and Hanoi. All the hospitality staff were very warm and friendly towards us, wherever we were, but not so to our travellng companions.. I went into a general/souvenir store in Beijng and noticed there was a lot of Korean type foods.. I asked for something that was not Korean and the young male attendant looked at me and asked "don't you like Korean food?" To which I replied that if I'm in a different country, I'd like to try the foods of that country.. since I live in Korea and can get Korean food anytime I want (which is never), I see no reason to buy something Korean.. Anyways, he very openly said that he did not like Korean tourists because of the way they treat people.. Then in Vietnam (Hanoi), we were at some place looking around and we were the only people who were approached by the locals, ended up having a few laughs and exchanging email addresses etc.. None of the Koreans did that..Korean people do have an inferiority/superiority complex AND they consider themselves to be the saviours of the "savages" in the other Asian countries.. Just watch Arirang propaganda TV or one of the other channels like KBS, KTV etc and you'll know what I mean.. It's one thing to go and help other people who are less fortunate than you if you are in the position to do so, but to blow your trumpet in a condescending way without a little humility is quite another.. I think I'm in my "I hate Korea" phase.. Almost at the end of 2 years here.. BTW The Korean tourists only eat at Korean style restaurants wherever they go.. they claim that they cannot live without a fix of kimchi.. I have a Korean friend who went to India and when she came back one of the first questons I asked was: "What did you think of the food?". To which she replied "It was awful. I couldn't eat it because I didn't like the smell of it".. I asked what did she have to eat, and she said she took some kimchi with her and some of the others she went with brought some food with them, too! Go figure!  |
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Saram

Joined: 11 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| To each his own I guess, but dammit, the BEST thing about India was the f'in food. I was eating mutton for breakfast because I was scared that before I knew it, the curry-train would be gone and I would be back to dried toast and Home Plus strawberry jam. |
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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Great thread guys. Nice anecdotes. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| BuHaoChi wrote: |
Or maybe it�s because North Americans don�t put up with that crap.
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That's right. We will speak up and if kick ass if needed.  |
And we don't have to worry about paying blood money, either, when the beatdown ends. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
That's right. We will speak up and if kick ass if needed.
And we don't have to worry about paying blood money, either, when the beatdown ends. |
SOFA agreement? |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| SOFA agreement? |
There is a SOFA agreement between Korea and Canada/Thailand/Cambodia/Japan/etc? I was unaware there was a Korean military presence there. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
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| SOFA agreement? |
There is a SOFA agreement between Korea and Canada/Thailand/Cambodia/Japan/etc? I was unaware there was a Korean military presence there. |
Uh..sorry, misunderstanding here.
You meant North americans don't have to pay blood money when at home. Thought you meant in Korea, my mistake.
Come to think of it, there can't be that many countries where confrontations never go further than shouting, because the 2 people are so afraid to end up in court. Makes Korea look almost civilised. |
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Kimchi Cowboy

Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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A Korean guy I know moved to Indonesia recently and had some interesting things to say about Koreans in Indonesia.
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So, I live in Tangerang, one of the satellite cities of Jakarta, together with two of my co-workers, both Koreans, and both assholes. One of them, for instance, has no other joy in life than *beep* about how corrupt the Indonesian society is, how hopeless the Indonesian economy is, and how uncivilized the Indonesian people are. Well, actually, she seems to be somewhat tired of doing so, and thus will supposedly fly back home soon, which is good for me. The other, having already spent about four years here, even fluent in bahasa Indonesia, still doesn�t have one local friend, as the only Indonesians he talks to are the driver and kitchenmaid also employed by our boss. They are typical, yet not the very worst case. Most of the Korean residents in town, if not all, tend to regard themselves as a different species. They never admit that they are only guests. And they behave, to make it easier for you to understand, just the same way a lot of G.I. Jocks and other Amerikkkan scumbags do in Korea. I already had enough of this �so-glad-I-wasn�t-born-in-your-miserable-*beep*-country-but-living-as-a-foreigner-is-sweet� type *beep*. Please, no, not any more. |
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Sorry, but I just can't resist...
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| So, I live in (Ilsan / Bundang / whatever), one of the satellite cities of Seoul, together with two of my co-workers, both whiteys, and both assholes. One of them, for instance, has no other joy in life than *beep* about how corrupt Korean society is, and how uncivilized the Korean people are. Well, actually, she seems to be somewhat tired of doing so, and thus will supposedly fly back home soon, which is good for me. The other, having already spent about four years here, even fluent in Korean, still doesn�t have one local friend, as the only Koreans he talks to are the ajumma employed by our boss and taxi drivers. They are typical, yet not the very worst case. Most of the foreign residents in town, if not all, tend to regard themselves as a different species. They never admit that they are only guests. And they behave, to make it easier for you to understand, just the same way a lot of G.I. Jock scumbags do in Korea, all the while looking down their noses at the soldiers and poo-pooing their boorish behaviour. I've had enough of this �so-glad-I-wasn�t-born-in-your-miserable-*beep*-country-but-living-as-a-foreigner-is-sweet� type *beep*. Please, no, not any more. |
Raise your hand if you know these people. |
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