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Institutionalized Racism in Korea: Will it ever end?
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Institutionalized Racism in Korea: Will it ever end? Reply with quote

Previous threads I had mentioned various issues concerning the infringement of civil rights on foreigners (Director of Human Rights Commision of Korea stated we didn't have any) by the Korean government such as:

1) Immigration laws forcing foreigners to be bound to their employer by means of their Visa.

2) Labour laws that favour the Korean employer over the foreigner employee.

3) Citizenship laws which states that any Korean woman who marries a foreigner male and has children in Korea, their children WILL NOT be Korean citizens. (of course, for Korean males who marry foreigner females this law is exempt)

4) Finance legislation prevents foreigners from sending more than 10,000,000 won a year overseas.

The list goes on and on (please feel free to add)

Recently the Korean government has added a new legislative policy that no foreigner can receive an international ATM bank card. This means any foreigner which travels overseas cannot get access to their bank account in Korea. This is being implemented in all banks (including KB). Furthermore, any EXISTING bank accounts which previously had an international ATM card (at the time the account was opened) will also implement this policy, thereby cancelling this card.

When will this blatant discrimination agaisnt foreigners end? It is getting completely ridiculos.
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waynehead



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's their country, not ours. If it's so bad then leave. I can think of a lot worse things than not having an international ATM card.
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normalcyispasse



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's GETTING ridiculous? It has been ridiculous for a long time. I'm hoping that the international ATM card thing is bunk, as I will be traveling soon and will be relying on my int'l Nonghyup card. . .

How about hand phones? How many of you were told that you couldn't get cell phone service because you were a foreigner? I was. I still pre-pay.

Korea's great at institutionalized racism. Anyone ever been in a traffic accident or a conflict with a Korean?
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that really true about the 10m won limit? If so, then lots of people have been lying about how much they send home every year.
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BuHaoChi



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Individual racism never bothered me because�simple put� everyone�s entitled to their own opinion regardless of how wrong, ignorant, or inane it happens to be.

What bothers me the most about Korea is the institutionalized racism. There�s no point in making a comprehensive list of all the grievances because we could go on and on for days about all the ways in which Korean society can legally scam and discriminate against non-Koreans. I think it�s irresponsible for a government and it�s institutions to be conducting itself this way, especially with all their talk of "globalized Korea," "hub of Asia," etc.
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each bank is in the process of implementing this policy. I was told by KB it was not in effect before leaving Korea, however, when overseas they implemented the policy. Hence, I could not use my international ATM card even though I had confirmation from my bank manager before leaving Korea it could be used.

WAYNEHEAD:

Granted, there are solutions around the international ATM card issue, however, never have I witnessed such blatant discrimination agaisnt non-natives of a country as in Korea. This policy is written confirmaton of this (as trivial as it may seem), let alone the unwritten policies implemented by court systems and police.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

normalcyispasse wrote:

How about hand phones? How many of you were told that you couldn't get cell phone service because you were a foreigner? I was. I still pre-pay.


That's your fault for giving up. Same thing with credit cards and the like. They're possible and sure you have to jump thru a couple hoops, but that's becuz it's very easy for a foreigner to pull up stakes and leave without paying their debt or cutting out of their phone contract early. It took a couple hours but I was able to get a regular phone without knowing any Korean, without a Korean to help, and without any weirdness like a deposit or having my bills deducted from my bank account.
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand, one must acknowledge that this country is notorious for lies, deception, and fraud (see other threads), so one must accept their governmental institutions will be no different . . sigh . . . .

Sad
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gteacher



Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Institutionalized Racism in Korea: Will it ever end? Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:

3) Citizenship laws which states that any Korean woman who marries a foreigner male and has children in Korea, their children WILL NOT be Korean citizens. (of course, for Korean males who marry foreigner females this law is exempt)


Absolutely not true. I am married to a Korean and my son has dual citizenship. At the age of 20 he must choose which citizenship he wishes to retain, same as any other dual citizen in Korea.

There are many rumors about citizenship and rights. Most of them start here on this board and grow. If you really want to know the truth contact the immigration office directly and discuss it with them.
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GTEACHER:

I hope what you say is true, I am basing this statement on conversations with numerous previous Immigration officer students (of high ranking authority I may add). However, based on experience with immigration, absolutely no consistency occurs between statements of different immigration officials.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Is that really true about the 10m won limit? If so, then lots of people have been lying about how much they send home every year.


Not true. I don't know the law but I think they are supposed to ask for documentation if you send out more than 10,000,000 Won in a year. You can send out your entire salary but you must prove what you have earned.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bank tellers, immigration officers, and obviously phone people don't know their stuff very well. Each one you ask will tell you something different. All it takes is luck that you find the one who tells you the right thing.

And there are a hell of a lot worse complaints that could be made by foreigners in this country than cell phones and bank cards. Those people just probably can't afford to spend time online, and certainly wouldn't sign up on an ESL board.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's true about the bank card thing, I'm going down to my bank first thing tomorrow. I've had an international bank card for about 6 years now, never with any problems. What a pain in the ass.
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gteacher



Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
GTEACHER:

I hope what you say is true, I am basing this statement on conversations with numerous previous Immigration officer students (of high ranking authority I may add). However, based on experience with immigration, absolutely no consistency occurs between statements of different immigration officials.


I'm basing my info on my son and discussions with on of the deputy directors of the Korean Immigration Bureau. I have had it confirmed numerous times. As well sometimes what is said and what is meant is different. I was told it was extremely difficult to get Korean citizenship as a non-Korean male married to a Korean female. However, when I discussed this with a friend who works in the Seoul Prosecutor Office he made a couple phone calls and got me a name of the man in charge. I called him and discovered that I could get citizenship faster than an F-5 visa if I wanted it.


To get the truth you sometimes have to climb up the ladder. I am thankful that I have taught at the COTI center for the past few years and have managed to make some useful connections in the higher levels of the Korean Government. When I need a question answered I can go to the top for the answer and be well prepared to deal with the local office.

A lot of the misinformation comes from lazy desk workers in the local offices who don't want to take the time to check or just get nervous when dealing with non-Koreans.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waynehead wrote:
It's their country, not ours. If it's so bad then leave. I can think of a lot worse things than not having an international ATM card.


This doesn't make any sense. I live in THIS country. The idea that foreigners shouldn't highlight problems they face in countries other than their own is completely ignorant. How can the Korean governmental agencies make the necessary reforms if they are not told of the problems that foreigners encounter here?
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