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SuperFly
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 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Bill Gates no longer the richest man in the world |
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| Meet Carlos Slim |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing like a good old monopoly to boost those profit margins...
So Bill's number 2... bummer.  |
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koon_taung_daeng
Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Location: south korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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i read an article about this guy a while back he is a complete asshole, he was saying how billgates and warren buffet were bad people because they "were acting like santa claus by dontaing too much money"
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Slim, known for his Midas touch in turning around struggling businesses and turning them into profit-making machines, told Reuters in an interview this year he was not in the habit of calculating his fortune on a regular basis. |
If that's true, then he's worth it. |
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stevemcgarrett
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Carlos Slim is a typical greedy Mexican billionaire, giving further evidence of just why there is such a huge gap between the haves and have nots in that country and elsewhere in Latin America.
Gates would still be the richest man if he wasn't always giving away wealth or devoting as much time as he does to his family and charities.
The contrast reflects the relative values of the two societies. The upper class in Mexico is greedy to an inexcusable degree.
Where is the philanthropy?
Carlos Slim: sounds like the name of a bandito. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Carlos Slim is a typical greedy Mexican billionaire |
Lots of people work for his companies. Why don't they collectively bargain and get some of that? Henry Ford didn't share the wealth of Ford with his workers out of the goodness of his heart. |
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winterwawa
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Carlos Slim is a typical greedy Mexican billionaire, giving further evidence of just why there is such a huge gap between the haves and have nots in that country and elsewhere in Latin America.
Gates would still be the richest man if he wasn't always giving away wealth or devoting as much time as he does to his family and charities.
The contrast reflects the relative values of the two societies. The upper class in Mexico is greedy to an inexcusable degree.
Where is the philanthropy?
Carlos Slim: sounds like the name of a bandito. |
There's something wrong with your arguements. Let me see if I have this right. If an American gets rich he is industrious and hard working, but if someone from another country gets rich he is greedy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm American and I know that Bill gates does a lot in the way of philanthropy, but how do you know Slim isn't doing the same in Mexico? Are you from there? Do you have empirical evedence that supports your claims. Just the fact that there is a big gap between the rich and the poor isn't enough.
I'm not saying there is no greed in Mexico, but greed is what drives capitalism. Without it there would be no Micosoft and Bill Gates would not be enjoying the lifestyle he enjoys. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I thought American labor organized and unionized in spite of Social-Darwinists like Ford...?
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| Why don't they collectively bargain and get some of that? |
Labor relations remain fairly dismal in most Latin-American nations. The Chilean unions I observed, for example...mere company unions. Management could and did fire and replace union leaders with whom it disagreed or mistrusted at will. I saw this happen once and was incredulous that the employees continued to call it "a union." Unions also had "the right" to ask management's permission for this or that but had to get a govt-issued permit to strike.
Latin America has desperately needed good, solid unions like we see in Germany, France, Britain, and America since the Industrial Revolution began. Think "Russia" for a nice comparison. They have not been able to thread a moderate way between the colonial-era patr�n-peasant relationship on the one hand and Marx's proposed dictatorship-of-the-proletariat on the other -- and in many places, Guatemala, for example, anti-Indian racism compounds the problem.
You ought to see Ocean's 13... |
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seoulshock
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ...but Gordon Gecko said 'greed is good'... |
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Saxiif
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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The contrast reflects the relative values of the two societies. The upper class in Mexico is greedy to an inexcusable degree.
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Well its not the Mexican upperclass, its Third World upper classes in general. Evil fuckers the lot of them. |
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koon_taung_daeng
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| All Mexicans are good for is food and funny hats, i cant stand living in a world where a Mexican is the richest man. im going to hang myself and have my students beat me to death pinata style |
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Kuros
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| Gopher wrote: |
I thought American labor organized and unionized in spite of Social-Darwinists like Ford...?
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Why don't they collectively bargain and get some of that? |
Labor relations remain fairly dismal in most Latin-American nations. The Chilean unions I observed, for example...mere company unions. Management could and did fire and replace union leaders with whom it disagreed or mistrusted at will. I saw this happen once and was incredulous that the employees continued to call it "a union." Unions also had "the right" to ask management's permission for this or that but had to get a govt-issued permit to strike.
Latin America has desperately needed good, solid unions like we see in Germany, France, Britain, and America since the Industrial Revolution began. Think "Russia" for a nice comparison. They have not been able to thread a moderate way between the colonial-era patr�n-peasant relationship on the one hand and Marx's proposed dictatorship-of-the-proletariat on the other -- and in many places, Guatemala, for example, anti-Indian racism compounds the problem.
You ought to see Ocean's 13... |
In addition, globalization has marginalized unions even in countries that traditionally have strong unions. The only reason that that scene in Ocean's 13 made any sense was because Danny Ocean and his gang payed off the strikers themselves. If it were a real multinational running the factory, the strike would've been undermined by scabs or the factory would have had the option of moving to China. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Illegal Mexican immigrants need to learn the language. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Carlos Slim is a typical greedy Mexican billionaire |
Lots of people work for his companies. Why don't they collectively bargain and get some of that? Henry Ford didn't share the wealth of Ford with his workers out of the goodness of his heart. |
Why don't they collectively bargain in Mexico? Why...hmm, hold on, thinking.....AH YES!
Private companies hire paramilitary groups to kill, maim, and torture trade unionists throughout Latin America!!! Yes! That's it. Why Chiquita banana did this just last year...and had to pay The US gov't 28 million dollars.
All the while the public institutions receiving money through IMF and World Bank SAPs are dictated to increase labor mobility (union busting)--often by illegally restricting trade unions!!
That's justice! That's free market justice. God bless Milton Friedman. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Carlos Slim is a typical greedy Mexican billionaire |
Lots of people work for his companies. Why don't they collectively bargain and get some of that? Henry Ford didn't share the wealth of Ford with his workers out of the goodness of his heart. |
Why don't they collectively bargain in Mexico? Why...hmm, hold on, thinking.....AH YES!
Private companies hire paramilitary groups to kill, maim, and torture trade unionists throughout Latin America!!! Yes! That's it. Why Chiquita banana did this just last year...and had to pay The US gov't 28 million dollars.
All the while the public institutions receiving money through IMF and World Bank SAPs are dictated to increase labor mobility (union busting)--often by illegally restricting trade unions!!
That's justice! That's free market justice. God bless Milton Friedman. |
That's an excellent point of course. Although I would say a) Mexico being a nation part of NAFTA b) this guy being in the public spotlight, his moves and the moves of his companies come under international scrutiny like never before. Time will tell. |
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