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Treefarmer

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: Why are Korean kids so bad at geography? |
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Korean kids go to school for longer hours, go in on saturday etc and yet most of the 10 yr olds i teach can't even find places like Australia, England or India on a map, don't seem to know the diference between continents and countries, and think London and Roma are countries?
I'm not flaming Korea it's a serious question, I knew all that stuff when I was 6, and it doesn't take that long to learn it
do they not teach any geography at all in public schools? 
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: Re: How come...... |
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Treefarmer wrote: |
Korean kids go to school for longer hours, go in on saturday etc and yet most of the 10 yr olds i teach can't even find places like Australia, England or India on a map, don't seem to know the diference between continents and countries, and think London and Roma are countries?
I'm not flaming Korea it's a serious question, I knew all that stuff when I was 6, and it doesn't take that long to learn it
do they not teach any geography at all in public schools?  |
I know, it's shocking. As a Geography master-major, I make a point of teaching some basic geography to my students as I can see it is clearly lacking. |
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mexican-american-in-korea
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: I think.... |
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It's because Korea is the center of the universe (to Koreans) and why should they know anything about world geography. Seriously though I presented a map to some high school students and asked them where Korea was (one of them pointed to Africa), then I asked where the USA was and they pointed to Australia. I was seriously disappointed and perplexed. I had similar incidents with some middle school students.
Maybe it's because on Korean maps, Korea really is in the center of the map and anything otherwise confuses them.
But I also try to teach them some geography, too. |
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Axl Rose

Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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How come posters make threads called "how come?", "huh?", "why?", "can you help me?" and "YAY! GO ME!"???
It's incredibly annoying, since all of the above thread titles could be about banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings - we've no idea. So when someone does a search on banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings, these threads won't appear in the search results.
How come threads called "how come?", "yay! Go me!" always disappear down the page and never achieve more than 1 or 2 pages? Because people haven't the patience to click on something that could be about either banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings or some other topic they may or may not be interested in. That's how come.
Can people PLEASE give some indication as to their threads' contents in the title?? Thanks.
Anyway, this thread is about geography in Korea, so let's answer: my experience is that K-kids know where the famous things are - America, Canada, Australia, Europe, "England" (they think England is an island of course, but then so do many) but ask them to find something more tricky and they're clueless. It's of a similar standard to the West IMO. K-kids will struggle with Portugal, Finland, Peru, South Africa, but so will Western kids struggle to find Cambodia, Thailand and - yes - Korea. Koreans all know the basics, I find, which cannot be taken for granted in Western graduates, let alone kids - especially women. Women are to geography what Al Quada are to Zionism.
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It's because Korea is the center of the universe (to Koreans) and why should they know anything about world geography |
Well of course, that's so obvious isn't it? Look at Korea's glorious and famous past. Look at all those famous historical figures and national landmarks known all over the world. |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Axl Rose wrote: |
How come posters make threads called "how come?", "huh?", "why?", "can you help me?" and "YAY! GO ME!"???
It's incredibly annoying, since all of the above thread titles could be about banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings - we've no idea. So when someone does a search on banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings, these threads won't appear in the search results.
How come threads called "how come?", "yay! Go me!" always disappear down the page and never achieve more than 1 or 2 pages? Because people haven't the patience to click on something that could be about either banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings or some other topic they may or may not be interested in. That's how come.
Can people PLEASE give some indication as to their threads' contents in the title?? Thanks. |
I agree. Which brings up the question:
How does one change the thread title? |
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mj roach
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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how come...?
someone would post that they had 'never molested a child before korea'
and then presume to ask inane questions about kids and geography?? |
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Axl Rose

Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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dogshed wrote: |
Axl Rose wrote: |
How come posters make threads called "how come?", "huh?", "why?", "can you help me?" and "YAY! GO ME!"???
It's incredibly annoying, since all of the above thread titles could be about banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings - we've no idea. So when someone does a search on banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings, these threads won't appear in the search results.
How come threads called "how come?", "yay! Go me!" always disappear down the page and never achieve more than 1 or 2 pages? Because people haven't the patience to click on something that could be about either banking, TEFL certs, Middle schools, the lunar landings or some other topic they may or may not be interested in. That's how come.
Can people PLEASE give some indication as to their threads' contents in the title?? Thanks. |
I agree. Which brings up the question:
How does one change the thread title? |
edit the OP. |
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kalkamagi
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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OP, not to criticize, but when you were 10, could you find south korea on a map? or even know the difference between north and south korea?
you'd be surprised how many people/students just forget/don't bother learning. (i watched a few minutes of "are you smarter than a 5th grader" last night, and seriously, this woman throught there were 3 degrees in a triangle.)
again, no disrespect, but your question reminded me of this tour guide at the University of Sydney. he kept on asking us (all korean & hong kong students) if we could remember all of the kings and queens of england, what were henry the xiii's wives' names were, etc. "c'mon, don't be shy! don't you remember?". i'm american, and i didn't know what the 'ell he was talking about, let alone any of the others. i mean, why would we study that and why would he assume that asians have a viable interest in remembering that?
or perhaps it's just those particular kids at your school. maybe they feel embarassed to answer the question?
anyway, i know how frustrating it can be sometimes. |
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Treefarmer

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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sorry about the title, i won't do it again, i'll edit the OP as well
when I was 10 I couldn't find Korea on the map, I didn't even know anything about it when I was 25 and first came here, that's totally different tho, Korea isn't that important a country to the west (or debatably even to Japan)it's like that most westeners aren't exactly sure where any of the countries in America except Brazil and Argentina go. Most people (adults) who Itold about it when I was back home last year thought it was some sort of charity gig in south asia...
but I could find the big countries like America, Australia, Japan, Russia, Brazil etc when I was 6 and I definetely knew that Rome and Asia weren't countries when I was 10
Maybe some people don't know this stuff back home, but everyone at school did. I'm not expecting that they know where Luxembourg or Peru is, but I think it's pretty dense that they think that England is in Africa, or don't know that the massive island at the bottom of the map is Australia |
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Treefarmer

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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re: kalkamagi I'm English and I'm pretty clueless about our Kings and Queens, I found it incredibly boring and pointless at school and still do except the odd conspiracy etc |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Why are Korean kids so bad at geography? |
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Treefarmer wrote: |
Korean kids go to school for longer hours, go in on saturday etc and yet most of the 10 yr olds i teach can't even find places like Australia, England or India on a map, don't seem to know the diference between continents and countries, and think London and Roma are countries?
I'm not flaming Korea it's a serious question, I knew all that stuff when I was 6, and it doesn't take that long to learn it
do they not teach any geography at all in public schools?  |
No big deal. Most of them will be able to find places like Australia, England and India on a map until they reach 15 unless they manage to completely sleep through the whole world history/geography classes. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I think it's a lot easier for us to learn geography. Canada and the US are big countries and easy to find on a map. Korea is proportionally much smaller, so there's a lot more territory outside their own country to learn. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
I think it's a lot easier for us to learn geography. Canada and the US are big countries and easy to find on a map. Korea is proportionally much smaller, so there's a lot more territory outside their own country to learn. |
My students couldn't find America or Canada on a map. I don't hold it against them though. The thread title should be "Why are kids so bad at geography?" Kids learn....teach it to them and move on from there. It's not exactly a difficult thing to do, now is it? |
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passport220

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
I think it's a lot easier for us to learn geography. Canada and the US are big countries and easy to find on a map. Korea is proportionally much smaller, so there's a lot more territory outside their own country to learn. |
I don�t know if your are serious with this post or just joking around. It made me laugh either way.
I love maps! I know others including Korean kids who do to. It is interesting to some people and they learn it easily, to others�not so much. Unless there is serious testing on the subject there is not a lot of incentive for kids (of any nation) to learn unless you have a natural love of geography. |
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silvertoes
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Koreans all know the basics, I find, which cannot be taken for granted in Western graduates, let alone kids - especially women. Women are to geography what Al Quada are to Zionism. |
Oh, hey, are you that guy that called foreign women in Korea 'maggots' and 'heifers' on Daves last year? Or was that another fella? You guys make me feel soooooo welcome and comfortable here.
By the way, it's 'Al-Qaeda'.
Perhaps I should make some remark like 'Men are to spelling what Axl Rose is to manliness'. I'm referring to the 'singer', of course. |
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