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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Nice talking with you, Jkelly80. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I will need a little more time on the Colombian case, Mindmetoo. As you know, Colombian affairs are a mess. I will review what I have on La Violencia and the guerrilla wars that have plagued the nation since Castro's era and respond. In the meantime... |
I'm not married to this. I'm happy to concede. But we both agree Mexico et al doesn't make it easy on labor and they do so using means that simply would not be tolerated in Canada and the USA. That's all I'm trying to establish. The user's point does ultimately argue against my own initial thesis that what is good for this Mexican rich guy is good for Mexicans (made in response to an arch nemesis of mine...Steve Mcgarrett).
If government and industry keep the little guy from bargaining collectively, then SM is, unfortunately, correct. Bill Gates doesn't send truncheon men when orange badge workers sue to be treated like blue badges.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| But we both agree Mexico et al. doesn't make it easy on labor and they do so using means that simply would not be tolerated in Canada and the USA. |
Absolutely. We never disagreed on this issue. And American transnationals -- and before them, the British, capitalists like John Thomas North -- helped fuel and indeed encouraged this. If you had time, I would recommend Harold Blakemore's British Nitrates and Chilean Politics 1886-1896 and Peter Winn's Weavers of Revolution: The Yarur Workers and Chile's Road to Socialism.
Still a far cry from funding and directing anti-union death-squads, however. And that was my only objection. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| There are records of Chiquita paying out to an organization with twenty years of documented human rights abuses, especially against peasants and trade unions, which was created as an armed wing of the landowning elite in Colombia. It pled guilty to this. It pled guilty to paying off an organizaiton (AUC) whose reason to be was to kill peasants, guerillas, and workers to advance a corporate agenda. You're saying that because there's no documentation of an order to kill union organizers written on Chiquita letterhead (that's shocking!), there's no proof. That's being willfully ignorant. |
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