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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| Soldiers do not represent the average Yank? BS. America is a police state. Police states need bulls. Yank bulls are everywhere. You go tell them that they are anomalies. Besides, when push comes to shove America supports the troops. Therefore, you all pull the trigger. Your argument is pretty weak, trader, whichever side of the fence you feel most comfortable on tonight my little kyopo queen. |
Troll. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
so back off....although I haven't been in the US for nearly 16 years for any amount of time, I will defend those men and women who choose to live a hard, and sometimes thankless life, away from their families and friends for extended times and they do it so we can have discussions like these no matter how asinine they may be but these guys don't deserve the crap they get sometimes from the likes of some of the boneheads on these discussion boards.. |
Good luck. This board is populated by angry young white Canadians who think they are better than everyone else, and only gain self-importance by putting down others.
My turn at being a Troll -- but just calling it like it is. Just look at my quote from an angry white Canadian above. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| "Cool" is such a subjective judgement. How do you make that into a valid generalization about such a large number of people? |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:39 am Post subject: Re: diverse Canada |
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| Just like if you leave NYC, you won't find much diversity in the state of NY. And the northern middle of the USA is pretty much vacant of non-white people, although that too is changing. |
Are you excluding Westchester and Nassau Counties, Albany, Buffalo, state prisons and drug rehab centers?   |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Sorry, I equate those two counties with NYC, since they are part of the metro area are they not? As for prisons and rehab, those are a given as well. Haven't been to Buffalo or Albany, so can't comment on them, but you probably have a point there. |
I would allow that type of general Metro census. The counties are not in the city, but I understood your general point and I agree with your original post. I was playing around and tried to give the hint with the stuff. Another bad joke I guess.
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As for this whole DLI thing, I am pretty sure it is a good institute. Get well-paid, qualified teachers in a classroom with intelligent students for 5-6 hours a day, it would be hard for it NOT to be a good institute. I've only met two graduates from there. One was a pompus ass who thought he was some foreign relations expert, when in fact he knew jack. Nevertheless, his arabic was pretty freaking amazing and was about as close to being fluent as one can be w/out spending any time in an Arab country. The other guy learned spanish and was participating in the drug war in Central America afterwards. Can't comment on his spanish ability though, I have no clue how good he is.
I was actually considering joining the military after meeting the Arabic-speaking one. But then I realized I could get a one-on-one tutor for dirt cheap in the M.East, so why throw myself into the army to learn Arabic? Then again, vets do get a leg-up on gov't jobs when they leave the military. |
Pompous ass doesn't surprise me.
It's my understanding that the majority of the instructors are military. I could be wrong on that one.
I don't doubt that it's a decent institute but I know for sure just about anyone that puts any effort into studying for the tests can get into the school. For example, the ASVAB mathematics section is somewhere around a level 6th grade US math exam, if that. The English section is slightly more difficult. (I can't believe someone mentioned that test.) I'm not familar with the the specialized language ability testing but I would guess it takes nothing more than studying a few hours a day for a week to do very well with it.
Joining the military and preparing yourself to be qualified to get into ANY of the schools as an enlisted soldier is very easy, and anyone who denies this is not being honest with themself.
The DLI itself would consist of studying a language for 6-8 hours a day. That is it. You study the language and some cultural aspects and that is all you do. You are in the military and there are no financial responsibilities to contend with. You have a room, (most likely a roomate), food, clothes and no bills. I have heard you spend about one year learning a language there.
Of course, as with any institute, people "drop out", but my point was that it was easy to get into the school, and I would NOW go onto say that it also is not a very well-rounded education. It produces foreign language speakers, and that is its goal, so it succeeds in that sense. However, I wouldn't say it was one of the best language schools in the world. How many folks on this board would graduate the school given nothing else to do but study a language every day for 6-8 hours a day for one year?
Yes, just about everyone, and for that matter just about any moke.
Hey, it's a good deal and I have nothing against anyone who goes to the school or the school itself. I'm just a little tired of hearing the exagerrations. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| I would have to disagree completely. I think it's the best representation the USA has. It reperesents all races, all levels of education, all income levels, (okay, yes, the upperclass is missing), both sexes, hundreds of occupations, people from every part of the country, various religions,......it's an excellent representation of the average American. |
Uh, but they all just also happened to have chosen tojoin the military. No. They do not in any small way shape or form represent a cross section of the US public. |
It's the best cross-section we have. Where else in the USA can you find an organization with the military's diversification?
They joined the military and they have come from all walks of life. As I said, the rich upper-class is not in the US military, otherwise, it has 'em all. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Seoultrader wrote: |
Agree with your point about a good racial cross section. However, "all income levels"? Hardly. Predominantly lower - lower middle class, with perhaps an officer corps (parents had enough $ to send the kid to college or help out) from a middle-upper middle class background.
(there are of course several ways to become an officer, but just as an example...) |
I did exclude the rich, and they are a small percentage of the USA's population.
There's a lower-lower-middle now?
I thought we had lower-middle-class.
Have you considered the number of people that are included in the middle-class? The percentages? What about all the officers from the military acadamies? The middle-class college graduates? The middle class folks that are seeking a free college education?
Aren't they, along with the lower-class about 80% of the USA's make-up? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently yongsan is being moved miles away soon. Where will all the GI's go on saturdays now? Taegu? |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
| so back off....although I haven't been in the US for nearly 16 years for any amount of time, I will defend those men and women who choose to live a hard, and sometimes thankless life, away from their families and friends for extended times and they do it so we can have discussions like these no matter how asinine they may be but these guys don't deserve the crap they get sometimes from the likes of some of the boneheads on these discussion boards.. |
I hope you are referring to the people in a place like Iraq and not Korea.
Most of the military folks in Korea are living high on the hog. It's a waste of governement money. Hundreds of folks living off-base in 2 million won a month apartments. Hard life? Not here in Korea. This is paradise. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| Apparently yongsan is being moved miles away soon. Where will all the GI's go on saturdays now? Taegu? |
I think it's Pyoengtak(sp?)-Osan. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:49 am Post subject: |
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It's the best cross-section we have. Where else in the USA can you find an organization with the military's diversification?
They joined the military and they have come from all walks of life. As I said, the rich upper-class is not in the US military, otherwise, it has 'em all. |
It may represent all the classes, but certainly doesn't represent all the types of people, all the different attitudes and philosophies that exsist in the US. |
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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| HardyandTiny wrote: |
| rapier wrote: |
| Apparently yongsan is being moved miles away soon. Where will all the GI's go on saturdays now? Taegu? |
I think it's Pyoengtak(sp?)-Osan. |
Osan is home to the largest Air Force Base in South Korean. Camp Humphreys is just south of there near P'yeong T'aek. (It's actually in Anjong-ri, but PT is the nearest "real" town - it's on the rail line.)
I imagine the new base will be somewhere inbetween the two or that one of them will see massive expansion. The Hump is surrounded by a lot of flat land, mostly used for rice farming and has a good-sized airfield (mostly used for helicopters), so I'd say it's prime for growing to house the southbound units. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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It's the best cross-section we have. Where else in the USA can you find an organization with the military's diversification?
They joined the military and they have come from all walks of life. As I said, the rich upper-class is not in the US military, otherwise, it has 'em all. |
It may represent all the classes, but certainly doesn't represent all the types of people, all the different attitudes and philosophies that exsist in the US. |
Right. Sure, but the people that you meet in Itaewon do not define the people in the military. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:13 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Walter Mitty]P'yeong T'aek.[/quote]
P'yeong T'aek
What the hell is that? |
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maxxx_power
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
Location: BWAHAHAHAHA! I'M FREE!!!!!!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Hardy,
FYI, the ASVAB is very easy but is not the required test to enter DLI. You do need a minimum score on the ASVAB but the major requirement is the DLAB (defense language aptitude battery). Check the passing rate but I think it's around 6-7%.
That is the test that also determines what language one is eligible to learn.
I went to DLI East, which contracted with private language schools and had civilian instructors. DLI in Monterrey is for high density languages (Spanish, Korean, lots of speakers) and has military teachers whereas DLI East is for "low density languages" (Laotian, Khmer, etc).
The pompous guy was most likely Air Force "intel". Us Army linguists don't take ourselves so seriously (at least the dudes in my unit don't, which was combat arms and not intel). |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| sorry to break it to you maxx, but the guy was army. He learned the iraqi dialect, but ironically he served between the two gulf wars. who knows, he might be there now for some gov't agency or a NGO. |
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