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[contrarian]

guri and his buddy, a couple of ignorant, cheap apologists for the Japs.

Nothing more.

[Ilsanman]

you're one to talk, grandpa.

i guess because i disagree with you, i am wrong. good logic, butthead.

steve, you are exactly right. one with a clean conscience can criticize well. one without is living in a glass house. it cheapens their claim.

but i will make you a deal, steve. if you can show me conclusive proof of what you preach, i will admit that i am wrong and i will join your little japan hate wagon.

[Big_Bird]

[Guri Guy]

"Jap" is a racist term Contrarian. Obviously throwing around racial slurs isn't going to prove anything other than that you are an idiot and a bigot. Nothing more.

[twg]

Wait, a conservative denied any cultural responsibility for the crimes of his nation, and set about smearing everyone that disagreed in the process?! That's so impossible that.... Oh my god!

THE SEVENTH SEAL IS BROKEN! THE END TIMES ARE UPON US!

[Pligganease]

[Ilsanman]

I understand people's lines of thought.

Ok, Steve McGarrett posts the same old crap he always posts, same arguments, not backed up by any evidence whatsoever...yada yada.

Guri Guy and I come on here and counter his argument with the exact same thing, yada yada.

And we're the bad guys? Give me a break.

I will come back to these crappy threads when the kindergarten students have vacated the premises. That means Steve, Contrarian, and Big Bird.

[twg]

[Guri Guy]

It is kind of sad when people try to make an issue black and white when it is smothered in shades of gray. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. That is why the issue keeps being revisited.

[stevemcgarrett]

No, Guri Guy, what's sad is that you're living in a country occupied by the Japanese for half a century and you haven't developed an ounce of sensitivity toward their position vis-a-vis the Pacific war.

You and Ilsanman can rationalize all you wish but it doesn't change the glaring reality that the Japanese government has a strong undercurrent of apologists for their fathers and grandfathers' despicable conduct during the Pacific War.

No amount of obfuscating, however, is going to gloss over the fact that both the Emperor and his advisers and the military high command were complicit in numerous acts of genocide and uncountable acts of sexual slavery.

Many Chinese happen to think there is something perverted in the Japanese psyche, as indicated in their fascination for S&M, little girlie uniforms in skin magazines, yakuza fetishes, and youth who find it fashionable to be alienated from their families and everyone else. While I'm not sure I agree entirely, they might have a point.

But you guys go ahead and keep sipping sake in the Kyoto gardens of your minds.

[Guri Guy]

Well, if the issue really was black and white, which I stated it wasn't, then maybe your argument about not being sensitive would be valid.

By stating that the issue is smothered in shades of gray however, I think most reasonable people can infer that I can see the issue is a complex one. Both sides have blood on their hands. It's not a simple issue of Japan evil and Korea and China good. Don't try to make it into one.

Koreans were partners with Japan(and willing ones) and only after the defeat of Imperial Japan did they start changing their tune. They have distorted their history to be seen as victims. When Korea is honest about it's colonial past, then and only then will you see the true story behind the comfort women. It won't exonerate Japan by any means however. I have never said Japan was totally innocent and I don't think it's "apologizing" to look for the truth in things. Japan is demonized in this country simply because of hyper nationalism and the shame of many Koreans in confronting their own sordid past. Objectivity is important.

I do feel more sympathy for the Chinese in regards to the Japanese having invaded them. When they apologize and remove themselves from Tibet I'll be more than willing to listen to this. As of right now, demonizing Japan is merely a political football for China to keep it's authoritarian government in control of the increasing unrest in the country.

As far as Koreans or Chinese calling Japanese perverts....HA!!
Korea is just as much if not far worse in that aspect.

Those pure Chinese minds sure have some strange ideas:

[stevemcgarrett]

Like any other culture, the Chinese have their fetishes steeped in tradition. But I'll wager the number of Chinese men who seek what is described in that article is far exceeded by the number of Japanese men who exhibit the traits I described.

[Guri Guy]

Considering that China has 10 times the population of Japan, I highly doubt it. If you said as a percentage of the male population, I think that would be what you meant. I still disagree though.

The Chinese and Koreans say that Japan got much of it's culture from China and Korea. The Chinese and Koreans are always glad to point that out. However if it is something perceived as negative then it was obviously Japanese "home grown".
I don't deny that Japan has it's collection of sickos and perverts. However, I think Japan learned very well from it's two "older brothers".

[wannago]

[Guri Guy]

Jap is considered offensive because it is meant to be derogatory.

You can check out many racial slurs here if you like. You don't seem much bothered by them so have a ball.

http://www.rsdb.org/

Most people around the world consider the term offensive. It is deemed offensive in our dictionaries too. Only the Australians seem to think it is acceptable. Perhaps you are Australian?

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The term Jap is used in English as an abbreviation of the word "Japanese." English speaking countries differ in the degree they consider the term offensive. Most people of Japanese descent in these countries consider the term offensive.

In Japanese dictionaries, the term Jap is only defined as a disparaging term used against the Japanese people, like it is the case in many English language dictionaries.[1] In the United States and Canada, the term is considered derogatory[citation needed]. In Britain it is considered derogatory and is falling into disuse, and the Oxford dictionary defines it as offensive[2]. However in Australia, the term is widely used and not considered derogatory at all.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

I don't call Koreans "Gooks" (Short for Hanguk) and I wouldn't call Japanese people "Japs". Why don't you go to Japan and call everyone there Japs and see the kind of reception you get?