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Harpeau
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Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| I like Ron Paul. I hope he wins. My only regret is that he's not Canadian. He would be well supported up in the great white north. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| but he seems to be a candidate that I can be pretty sure isn't in the pocket of the corporations. |
I don't know about "in the pocket" but I GUARANTEE that corporations LOVE this guy.
Could you imagine if corporations suddenly had no market restrictions and no laws to keep them in check?
I dunno, I suppose I would consider myself a social libertarian but I simply don't ahve enough faith in "The market" to think that it would solve all of my problems.
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| My only regret is that he's not Canadian. He would be well supported up in the great white north. |
I disagree with this strongly. Canadians love the warm feeling they get from their social programs (could you imagine a candidate wanting to COMPLETELY trash the healthcare system and having ANY success?) for better or for worse.
They don't like the fact that it costs them their genitals and a limb but I'm still fairly sure RP wouldn't do that great up there. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Could you imagine if corporations suddenly had no market restrictions and no laws to keep them in check? |
Or no "unwanted govt interference," as in the Federal Depository Insurance Corporation, the Securities and Exchange Commission, or the National Labor Relations Board -- or all the federal laws and administrative regulations they enforce...? How about the Clean Air Act or the Environmental Protection Agency while we are at it...?
Welcome back, J.P. Morgan et al.
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Btw, I'm tired of people voting based on issues like abortion and gay marriage. Personally, I could give a damn. I'm no fundamentalist Christian, but if they overturn Roe vs Wade, I don't think its any tragedy if a woman can't kill her unborn child for the sake of her own convenience, which is usually the reason, the mothers health and children of rape are rare ocurrences and probably could be exceptions anyway.
As for gays, the fact that at best 5% of our population is in effect deciding elections really ticks me off. Probably not the average gay man's fault, but its still very irritating. |
The problem with gay marriage, or civil unions, isn't the gay's fault. It's the conservative Christians' fault for not minding their own business and being homophobic. 5% of the population deciding elections? Not at all. It's about an issue that effects the gay community, a small issue, becoming a major issue and deciding elections.
Abortion existed before R v. W and will continue if it's overturned. The difference is that legal abortions don't harm or kill the mother. Illegal, backstreet abortions often do.
These two issues come down to personal freedom. No one is forcing the population to be gay or have an abortion.
I would teach my kids that drinking is harmful, but won't outlaw it just because I don't agree with it. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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From the OP:
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| but he seems to be a candidate that I can be pretty sure isn't in the pocket of the corporations. |
I don't know about "in the pocket" but I GUARANTEE that corporations LOVE this guy.
Could you imagine if corporations suddenly had no market restrictions and no laws to keep them in check?
I dunno, I suppose I would consider myself a social libertarian but I simply don't ahve enough faith in "The market" to think that it would solve all of my problems.
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| My only regret is that he's not Canadian. He would be well supported up in the great white north. |
I disagree with this strongly. Canadians love the warm feeling they get from their social programs (could you imagine a candidate wanting to COMPLETELY trash the healthcare system and having ANY success?) for better or for worse.
They don't like the fact that it costs them their genitals and a limb but I'm still fairly sure RP wouldn't do that great up there. |
No. Capitalists are terrible advocates for capitalism. Large firms would hate Ron Paul and will do anything they can to prevent his presidency. You have to understand that government is the protection of interests. A free market means more competition. What established company would want that? What established company would want an end to the handouts? Camon. |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I'm not really impressed by purist candidates. No ideology is that good. They're all full of holes. We need flexible thinkers. When you hear an idea, your first thought shouldn't be, "Does that fit with my ideology?", but "Is that a good idea?"
As Chris Rock says, "Anyone who's made up their mind before they hear an issue is an idiot." |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Poor Joo. Everyone knows, including Bin Laden and other top leaders of Al Qaeda, that Al Qaeda only uses "the Caliphate" for propaganda. It is not and has never been a serious interest or goal of the group |
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really what do they fight for . Why don't you show a source that backs you up
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| Joo has a handful of mantras that he repeats so often that he has brainwashed himself into believing them. It's as if all knowledge of the universe has been removed from his brain except his three mantras. |
The only thing in your brain is the mantras of extremist libertarians
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| ... blah, blah... they should give up their war |
they shouldn't ?
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| .... blah, blah... the caliphate |
what does AQ fight for
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| .... blah, blah...alternative energy |
It is not a good idea?
Ron Paul hasn't voted against it?
As I said libertarians care about their ideology , not national security.
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| My uncle has a parrot that can repeat more sentences than Joo. |
You are just made that you don' t have any answer.
Well you are not alone Ron Paul doesn't have any answer either.
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| Al Qaeda is a socialistic organization. They are attempting to bring their own version of religious socialiam to the Arab world. If you support socialism, you ARE Al Qaeda. Liberty or Death. There is no middle ground. |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I had no idea he, umm she, was running...
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Joo quoted:
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Al Qaeda is a socialistic organization. They are attempting to bring their own version of religious socialiam to the Arab world. If you support socialism, you ARE Al Qaeda. Liberty or Death. There is no middle ground.
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Joo, that quote from ontheway doesn't appear anywhere on this thread. I think you should have made it clear that you were not quoting him, but rather doing a satire of what you believe his ideology to be. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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I had no idea he, umm she, was running...
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That's actually who I first thought off when I first saw the name!
I actually saw him do a show, in London, at the Astoria, on Gay night (Saturday). He was bloody good too. A gigantic black barbie doll with a razor sharp wit. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Joo quoted:
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Al Qaeda is a socialistic organization. They are attempting to bring their own version of religious socialiam to the Arab world. If you support socialism, you ARE Al Qaeda. Liberty or Death. There is no middle ground.
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Joo, that quote from ontheway doesn't appear anywhere on this thread. I think you should have made it clear that you were not quoting him, but rather doing a satire of what you believe his ideology to be. |
You will find the quote here. No satire needed.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=90425&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, I see. OTW is one of those "anything that isn't libertarianism is socialism" type of libertarians. Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Go Ron Paul!  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Ron Paul has voted against every bill supporting alternative energy.
Go Ron Paul |
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