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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:31 am    Post subject: You're going to need a warm floor soon........... Reply with quote

In the next couple of weeks it's going to get cold enough to turn on your ondol (under-floor heating).

I've picked up some confusion among foreigners (especially newbies) about just how the system works so I thought some old-timers here could clear up some questions.

The general advice from Koreans I've spoken to is that the best and most economical thing to do is,

turn it on October/November,
set it to the desired temperature (20C-21C is usually enough),
then,
leave it on all the time. Right the way through to March/April next year.

The idea is that if you turn it off, say when you go to work, then turn it on later that night, you will use way too much gas getting the floor warm again.

I can testify to this as my first winter in Korea I did the daily turn on/turn off thing and I remember getting huge monthly gas bills. More than 100,000 for each of Dec-Jan-Feb.

My second winter here I just set the theromstat and didn't touch it again untill the next spring. My gas bill was cut by more than half.

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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:37 am    Post subject: Re: You're going to need a warm floor soon........... Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
In the next couple of weeks it's going to get cold enough to turn on your ondol (under-floor heating).


I turned mine on a few weeks ago!!! Very Happy brrrrrrrrr
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can testify to this as my first winter in Korea I did the daily turn on/turn off thing and I remember getting huge monthly gas bills. More than 100,000 for each of Dec-Jan-Feb.

My second winter here I just set the theromstat and didn't touch it again untill the next spring. My gas bill was cut by more than half.


This is interesting information. i thought it was based purely on the time used. So 1 hour equals however much i suppose.

From next week it is going to get colder. i think the temperature is going to drop about 7 or 8 degrees on Monday compared to today. Check it out here www.weather.co.kr

Anyway, the missus turned on the ondol last week but its still too hot for me. Ahhh...she loves sleeping on the floor and while i have adapted to it the heat of the ondol is making me go for the bed. But as winter draws nearer and nearer the floor will look better and better.
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing about Korea!!!!!

God I miss those floors!!!!! Bloody Japan is the second biggest economy in the world and yet winters feel like camping in your own apartment!!!
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matko wrote:
The best thing about Korea!!!!!

God I miss those floors!!!!! Bloody Japan is the second biggest economy in the world and yet winters feel like camping in your own apartment!!!


That baffled me about Japan. I lived in Japan in the winter 2001/2002. My apartment was freezing!!! I used those little kerosene heaters but they make the air funny and gave me a headache. Also going outside in the rain to re-fill the kerosene tank was a major pain.

Is it just traditional building methods that stop the Japanese installing heating systems?
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I live in Korea, but if you can believe it, my dormitory doesn't have ondol heating. I really miss ondal heating, it is one of the great things about this country.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

120,000 won does about 6 months in my apartment, and I do the on/off thing. Thing is...I barely use it, really; in fact, I use a fan throughout the winter, partly for white noise, partly for the breeze.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have friends with ondol heating in Winnipeg. It's new in Canada and catching on. When I told them that it was orginally Korean they were surprised.
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Anda



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 3:20 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

I use those electric reflection heaters as the heat is instant and the operating cost is way down on ondol heating.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who do we believe here? the on/off theorists(Zyzfer) or the on/on theorists? (eamo). I find it hard to believe korean advice anymore. next they'll be telling us never to leave a fan on while we sleep.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: Um Reply with quote

Anda wrote:
I use those electric reflection heaters as the heat is instant and the operating cost is way down on ondol heating.



Good idea, Anda! Better get used to those before you invest in a wood-burning stove for that cabin you're talking about.

I thought an American company came up with the idea of radial-floor heating. Ya know, the kind with the tubes under the floor. The one Norm Abram and Steve Thomas from This Old House are installing all the time.

Yea, my heating bills were 30,000 a month last year and I remember doing the on/off thing.



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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to leave mine on, but my downstairs neighbor keeps her apartment so hot that I am too warm without ever turning on the heat. I would like to warm the floor, but it just overheats my apartment. I usually have my door open (to the balcony) and sometimes use a fan. At least it keeps my heating bills low.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
I have friends with ondol heating in Winnipeg. It's new in Canada and catching on. When I told them that it was orginally Korean they were surprised.


I think it was originally Roman. . .
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confession:

My first summer in Korea, I left the heated floor on from May to August.

Embarassed
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another thing on the underfloor heating is that it depends on how big your place is and how well the underfloor heating works. In my last place I could put on for an hour when I got home and it would be nice and toasty.

In my new place I've been advised that it takes a while to heat up so it's best to leave it on low and turn it up when desired.

Also if you find that after turning your underfloor heating on it isn't working (you should be able to feel where the pipes are on the floor) try turning an orange (well at least mine was) valve that should be under the sink or some place like that as some people shut off the gas in summer.

CLG
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