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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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splitting the bill would just make the situation awkward. |
I am curious as to why it is awkward. Sense very normal to me. |
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jg
Joined: 27 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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This thread doesn't seem to have changed any minds, has it? And it isn't even particularly informative, save for Leslie C's offering. It is revealing though - things don't normally get this ugly even in the off-topic/current events cage matches. Alyallen was really crudely attacked for something she didn't do, and (I've never seen this before) the true culprit comes on and cops to it, and there is not even a hint of a mea culpa - unless one was sent to Alyallen by pm, which I sincerely hope happened. She didn't deserve that.
Then there is not just the comodification of affection, sex and time but in such a crude way, and all these ridiculous superlatives and figures (including my favorite percentage as a means of supporting an argument, 99.9%) from both camps.
Who pays on dates, what a hot button topic! Who knew? |
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tigerbluekitty
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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If the guy's a loser, he's not gettin' any love, AND he must pay for everything.
If the guy has potential, he must pay for everything also.
The only time I pay for a guy is if I think of him as a little brother. Awww! Cute little brother. Little brothers are meant to be spoiled! *pinchy cheeks* ^^ |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Okay, I'm changing my mind about the "ho" situation... |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: |
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By reading this thread I think you can make some pretty accurate guesses as to who actually goes on dates. The people who are begging the girl from the hostess bar to have dinner are most likely the ones complaining about "she expects me to pay."
reminds me of a friend....
One day at a party he was screaming and yelling that all girls are who*&es and blah blah this and blah blah that. After about 5 minutes of this a girl asked, "So how many girls have you slept with, besides hookers?" Total silence. everyone knew the answer was none.
If you have anything that even remotely resembles a healthy relationship with women in general, this topic never crosses your mind. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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kermo wrote: |
crusher_of_heads wrote: |
kermo wrote: |
Thanks for reminding me, Desperation.
A gay friend asked me why I never seem to make dessert when he comes over (this isn't true-- he knows my cheesecake is The Shiznit because he's tasted it). I told him it's because he doesn't put out.
I appreciate the request, D, but I've already got a full roster. |
problem solved right -----------------> here <---------------
kermo fan |
Hey! Did you just "put out" on my computer screen?  |
NO!
At least I didn't mean to, and I've neve taken ecstasy! Just pointing out the obvious----> huge kermo fan right here
Call me Captain Obvious 3.0 I didn't see that connotation until reading your post.
Like all well meaning men: well inentioned, poorly delivered |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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My own experience is, the less you listen to & read of all that, the better you'll do. It's all about following your instincts while keeping your eyes & ears wide open to all her signals. |
seems eminently sensible advice,to me, despite being written by a dinosaur
If iron clad rules for dating are a bad idea and everyone knows that, why are so many people clinging to iron clad rules on who pays?
For any of the old school gents who like to pay for dates, saying something like this:
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Awww! Cute little brother(sister). Little brothers(sisters) are meant to be spoiled! *pinchy cheeks* ^^ |
within earshot is a pretty sure way to get a drink poured onto your lap. Not even little kids like their cheeks pinched very often  |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: |
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tigerbluekitty wrote: |
If the guy's a loser, he's not gettin' any love, AND he must pay for everything.
If the guy has potential, he must pay for everything also.
The only time I pay for a guy is if I think of him as a little brother. Awww! Cute little brother. Little brothers are meant to be spoiled! *pinchy cheeks* ^^ |
Just curious, what's the minimum price for your services? I mean, assuming the guy "has potential", what is the minimum amount of cash you will you expect him to spend on you before he "gets any"?
Just give us a round figure. |
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
tigerbluekitty wrote: |
If the guy's a loser, he's not gettin' any love, AND he must pay for everything.
If the guy has potential, he must pay for everything also.
The only time I pay for a guy is if I think of him as a little brother. Awww! Cute little brother. Little brothers are meant to be spoiled! *pinchy cheeks* ^^ |
Just curious, what's the minimum price for your services? I mean, assuming the guy "has potential", what is the minimum amount of cash you will you expect him to spend on you before he "gets any"?
Just give us a round figure. |
Yes, Jenny... please explain. Since you're from So Cal, I imagine you charge a lot. Were you working the room bangs in Koreatown in Los Angeles? Did you also make a lot of money working in hostess clubs in Japan?
Anyway, how about 70,000 KRW for 30 min. of fun? I think that's the going rate at Miari. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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But the real answer as to why I think a man should always pay for a first date is threefold: a) that's what my father taught me, b) that's what my stepfather taught me, c) that's what my gay male friends taught me. |
Yeah, did your father also tell you not to have s e x until you were married? Do you always listen to your father? |
Actually, you will never in your life believe this, BUT my father told me that if I didn't have sex before I was 16 or smoke or drink before I was 18, when I turned 18 years old I'd get a lifetime supply of weed. He also told me I should sell weed on my college campus to make money.
My father is one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet.
So....no, he didn't tell me not to have s e x.
My mother, meanwhile, is a nurse and said, "I don't want you to have sex while you're in high school, but I'm not stupid, so please use protection." Again, she never told me to wait until marriage.
Maybe coming from a non-religious family has something to do with it.
No, I don't always listen to my father; I never sold pot on campus. However, since (as I've already said multiple times) I'm only talking about paying for sure for the first date, and since I share as soon as we're exclusive, I really don't understand what the B F'in deal is.
As for the side comments people are making about *beep* size...what is up with you men? The only men I've ever met who were concerned about other men's *beep* size were either gay or really tiny themselves. 
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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kermo wrote: |
Thanks for reminding me, Desperation.
A gay friend asked me why I never seem to make dessert when he comes over (this isn't true-- he knows my cheesecake is The Shiznit because he's tasted it). I told him it's because he doesn't put out.
I appreciate the request, D, but I've already got a full roster. |
If you are bringing any of the cheescake around Daegu way around September time, let me in on some of it... and I may put out!
Blimey, I'm easy to impress if it is home made cheesecake!  |
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chasmmi
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Location: Ulsan
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Actually thinking about this from the Korean aspect there is a set pattern to how any sort of meeting should work and I may guess it could extend to dating.
Now most people at least here mention of the whole fighting over the bill thing that goes on here and my experiences have shown it is very hard to pay for stuff (not impossible, just hard) when Koreans are around as they insist or get sneaky and pay when you aren't looking or get the credit card in first and refuse your cash etc.
However even though there is this fight in general it boils down to the inviter paying I would say maybe 80-90% of the time. I think this also aids the social aspect of things by encouring the guest this time to be the inviter the next time.
Therefore if this logic applies to dates, then if you have asked the girl to go to dinner with you then Korean eating out culture dictates that you should win the fight over the bill. If she puts up a fight it may well be for show as its the done thing most of the time (if you want to be safe then tell her to take you out somewhere next time, therefore putting the paying onus on her and making her happy).
Going dutch may be a fine system elsewhere but in Korea it can be awkward whether you are with a girlfriend, workfriend or drunk guy off the street. YEs more young people are going Dutch these days but in generl I would advise that unless you are good friends with the person in question (or if there are like 6 of you) then if you invite then you pay, regardless of if it is a date or not. If anything it could show you are down with Korean culture, or at least that you are trying to be.
Please note I am not Korean and have only been here 11 months so I may have got this oh so wrong. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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bejarano-korea wrote: |
kermo wrote: |
Thanks for reminding me, Desperation.
A gay friend asked me why I never seem to make dessert when he comes over (this isn't true-- he knows my cheesecake is The Shiznit because he's tasted it). I told him it's because he doesn't put out.
I appreciate the request, D, but I've already got a full roster. |
If you are bringing any of the cheescake around Daegu way around September time, let me in on some of it... and I may put out!
Blimey, I'm easy to impress if it is home made cheesecake!  |
How utterly romantic. |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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kermo wrote: |
bejarano-korea wrote: |
kermo wrote: |
Thanks for reminding me, Desperation.
A gay friend asked me why I never seem to make dessert when he comes over (this isn't true-- he knows my cheesecake is The Shiznit because he's tasted it). I told him it's because he doesn't put out.
I appreciate the request, D, but I've already got a full roster. |
If you are bringing any of the cheescake around Daegu way around September time, let me in on some of it... and I may put out!
Blimey, I'm easy to impress if it is home made cheesecake!  |
How utterly romantic. |
I can do romance! Depends how good the cheescake is though...  |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
As for the side comments people are making about *beep* size...what is up with you men? The only men I've ever met who were concerned about other men's *beep* size were either gay or really tiny themselves.  |
Exactly.....if a man's lacking in a certain area he's more likely to want to pay for everything as a form of compensation. This is especially true for men with small dicks and lots of money.
This is what another female told me so don't kill the messenger.
I don't mind treating out a girl from time to time, but I will not, I repeat not be a little bitch and pay for everything.
And that's what a man who pays for everything is. A little bitch with no balls.
Plus I don't know how a man can truely respect a women if she constantly accept his payment for things without making a little effort to contribute her part.
I know I couldn't.
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