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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Dude,
In Singapore, people will risk caning and/or death just for the sake of the chronic.
DUDE. |
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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of course it's a sleazy business, if that was any sort of argument then you'd have to ban sportswear as well.....
it's like people who want to boycott israel never call for a boycott on china |
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HighTreason
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| If it were about health and safety alcohol would be banned a long time ago. |
Funny you mention it... Alcohol was banned a long time ago in the United States. The result was a very significant increase in crime. Pot is currently banned... what's the result? The issue isn't whether or not they care about the health and safety of Pot or alcohol. The issue is that it is very obvious that prohibition does not work, is costly, and creates more problems than it solves... |
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Geckoman
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Dude,
In Singapore, people will risk caning and/or death just for the sake of the chronic.
DUDE. |
No, they risk caning or death for money, which they make from selling it. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Dude,
In Singapore, people will risk caning and/or death just for the sake of the chronic.
DUDE. |
No, they risk caning or death for money, which they make from selling it. |
Aren't they liable to be caned (and I don't mean caned as in high!  ) or death-sentenced if caught smoking it? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Dude,
In Singapore, people will risk caning and/or death just for the sake of the chronic.
DUDE. |
No, they risk caning or death for money, which they make from selling it. |
Aren't they liable to be caned (and I don't mean caned as in high! ) or death-sentenced if caught smoking it? |
You can be caned for almost anything. As I understand, it is the judge's discretion for most cases, but it is mandatory in others. Go to youtube to watch vids of it. Barbaric. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, but that's different. He was a cokehead, not a pothead.  |
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pheeeel
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is, however cool you and your friends might be, the fact remains that if you want to smoke weed, you usually have to deal with some pretty sleazy people, or people who have links to some pretty sleazy people. Now, 9 times out of 10, these sleazy people are also smokers, yet remain sleazy/seedy/dodgy/whatever. If weed were legal, these bad dudes would still smoke. I don't think weed makes people nice and friendly, and I don't think it makes them dodgy *beep* either. People are people, and I don't think that weed makes that much of a difference to who you inherently are. |
You don't get high, do you? |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| pheeeel wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| The problem is, however cool you and your friends might be, the fact remains that if you want to smoke weed, you usually have to deal with some pretty sleazy people, or people who have links to some pretty sleazy people. Now, 9 times out of 10, these sleazy people are also smokers, yet remain sleazy/seedy/dodgy/whatever. If weed were legal, these bad dudes would still smoke. I don't think weed makes people nice and friendly, and I don't think it makes them dodgy *beep* either. People are people, and I don't think that weed makes that much of a difference to who you inherently are. |
You don't get high, do you? |
Not any more - and my mind and brain feel much better for it! However, during the time that I was a smoker, getting high involved dealing with dodgy people (dealers). Most of these dealers were involved in all kinds of crazy illegal shit - they were really no nice people - and they all smoked too. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Is the marijuana culture fundamentally a sleazy culture? Absolutely not. Is the marijuana market sleazy, yes, and only because pot is illegal.
The "marijuana culture" as a concept has to be a definition of all the things people do while stoned, and the types of gatherings and and events associated with this, and the types of philosophy and art associated with this. Pot is clearly a very wholesome and benign drug with very positive effects. Check out an outdoor music concert where most people are stoned and not drunk, you will see a bunch of laid back people. With alcohol it's a very different picture. Pot promotes peace, deep thought, and philosophical discussion, and some great art and music. No contest between pot and alcohol.
Pot is only illegal because the government doesn't want people to be able to make money off something that is hard to tax. It's not about health of the effect of the drug on society. The govt could give a damn about that. If it were about health and safety alcohol would be banned a long time ago. It's just about money. But ironically making pot legal would totally pull the guts out of the market, the price would come way down, it would no longer be a profitable business, and criminals would look elsewhere for their activities. It's so easy to grow, people would grow their own, give freely to friends, and the money and sleaze would just disappear. But governments have a vested interest in keeping it illegal, and it's not out of any concern with the health and welfare of the population. |
I strongly disagree with your post about Pot creates and stimulates great art while Alcohol promotes bad art.
Most hippie art is really bad. I went to an art school and some most crappy stuff was made by some lazy pot smoking hippie. They get into the life style cause they think its cool. Album color art is real kitch too.
If you want to see great art forget the sixties. Check out Abstract Expressionsm. This was started by a guy who was a total drunk and his painting were mind blowing. Check out Jackson Pollock Wiillen De Kooning.
By the way Punk rock was miles better than all that hippy music. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Dude,
In Singapore, people will risk caning and/or death just for the sake of the chronic.
DUDE. |
No, they risk caning or death for money, which they make from selling it. |
Aren't they liable to be caned (and I don't mean caned as in high! ) or death-sentenced if caught smoking it? |
You can be caned for almost anything. As I understand, it is the judge's discretion for most cases, but it is mandatory in others. Go to youtube to watch vids of it. Barbaric. |
Not at all. They should re-introduce it in the West. Make a lot of losers shape up right quick. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| now is singapore's crime rate low because of the culture or punishment dished out to criminals? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
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Is the marijuana culture fundamentally a sleazy culture? Absolutely not. Is the marijuana market sleazy, yes, and only because pot is illegal.
The "marijuana culture" as a concept has to be a definition of all the things people do while stoned, and the types of gatherings and and events associated with this, and the types of philosophy and art associated with this. Pot is clearly a very wholesome and benign drug with very positive effects. Check out an outdoor music concert where most people are stoned and not drunk, you will see a bunch of laid back people. With alcohol it's a very different picture. Pot promotes peace, deep thought, and philosophical discussion, and some great art and music. No contest between pot and alcohol.
Pot is only illegal because the government doesn't want people to be able to make money off something that is hard to tax. It's not about health of the effect of the drug on society. The govt could give a damn about that. If it were about health and safety alcohol would be banned a long time ago. It's just about money. But ironically making pot legal would totally pull the guts out of the market, the price would come way down, it would no longer be a profitable business, and criminals would look elsewhere for their activities. It's so easy to grow, people would grow their own, give freely to friends, and the money and sleaze would just disappear. But governments have a vested interest in keeping it illegal, and it's not out of any concern with the health and welfare of the population. |
I strongly disagree with your post about Pot creates and stimulates great art while Alcohol promotes bad art.
Most hippie art is really bad. I went to an art school and some most crappy stuff was made by some lazy pot smoking hippie. They get into the life style cause they think its cool. Album color art is real kitch too.
If you want to see great art forget the sixties. Check out Abstract Expressionsm. This was started by a guy who was a total drunk and his painting were mind blowing. Check out Jackson Pollock Wiillen De Kooning.
By the way Punk rock was miles better than all that hippy music. |
I was absolutely not comparing directly the art produced on pot with the art produced on alcohol. I was refering to the entirety of the "culture" around pot, versus the entire "culture" around alcohol. Pot wins, it doesn't make people violent or crash cars and it doesn't kill them in record numbers every year, alcohol does. I have no problem believing some of the great artists were drinkers. I also well understand that the explosion of colorful textures and arrangements in pop music in the sixties would probably not have happened without pot and lsd.
Punk rock is not music it's the noise you get when a monkey picks up a guitar and a banshee wails over the top of it ... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Dude,
In Singapore, people will risk caning and/or death just for the sake of the chronic.
DUDE. |
No, they risk caning or death for money, which they make from selling it. |
Aren't they liable to be caned (and I don't mean caned as in high! ) or death-sentenced if caught smoking it? |
You can be caned for almost anything. As I understand, it is the judge's discretion for most cases, but it is mandatory in others. Go to youtube to watch vids of it. Barbaric. |
Not at all. They should re-introduce it in the West. Make a lot of losers shape up right quick. |
If you are really Gopher as I suspect then I don't believe you really feel that. If you do you have just plummeted in my estimation. And you were one of the only conservatives I can really relate to on here.
The problem is not so much with the punishment as with it's administration. With heavy duty things like that, it's going to get political and racial right quick, as we can already see by the racial bias in the way the death penalty is administered. Then there is the issues of who decides what is punishable with caning, and who administers the caning, that right there is a position open for abuse by some twisted sadist with anger issues. I just don't trust the government to handle something so volatile as caning with any sense of fairness and integrity. |
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