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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Ignorant comments and reactions to them Reply with quote

I'm at the unfortunate point in language acquistion where I can understand a lot of what is said around me but usually can't eloquently retort remarks made about me for fear of sounding like a jabbering fool. So, usually I just ignore insulting or derogatory remarks made by adults.

Though, I increasingly believe that this is actually a disservice to non-Koreans in general if people who understand bad remarks made in front of them do not take a stand against it as it seems many Koreans will continue to make such remarks unabated unless confronted and given a short dose of reality that what they're saying is rude and uncalled for.

A case in point was last night I was a bar which usually during the week caters to mainly Korean clientele but on the weekend often becomes a foreigner bar. I was chatting to the barmaid, who's a nice girl and who I've known for a couple of years. In comes a couple of younger Korean guys who firstly speak quite rudely to the barmaid, who they seem to know, and then make a derogatory remark about my appearance. She tells them off saying I know Korean and understand what they're saying, to which the main culprit bows his head, looks apologetically towards me and remains sullen for the rest of the time he's there.

What I can't understand though is why does it make a difference that I understand for them to change their behavior?

Numerous times when I've been with Koreans who've found out I know some Korean, the first thing they say is 'oh, I better watch what I say around you then'. That always leaves me thinking why can't you just keep ill remarks to yourself regardless of whether the person knows Korean or not.

I'm not really looking for answers, this is just something that frustrates me and I needed to vent. Razz
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you fat?
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh. I've been thinking about this for a long time myself. I don't know if they will ever change their behavior. I don't think it's possible.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Ignorant comments and reactions to them Reply with quote

Kimchi Cha Cha wrote:
I'm at the unfortunate point in language acquistion where I can understand a lot of what is said around me but usually can't eloquently retort remarks made about me for fear of sounding like a jabbering fool. So, usually I just ignore insulting or derogatory remarks made by adults.

Though, I increasingly believe that this is actually a disservice to non-Koreans in general if people who understand bad remarks made in front of them do not take a stand against it as it seems many Koreans will continue to make such remarks unabated unless confronted and given a short dose of reality that what they're saying is rude and uncalled for.

A case in point was last night I was a bar which usually during the week caters to mainly Korean clientele but on the weekend often becomes a foreigner bar. I was chatting to the barmaid, who's a nice girl and who I've known for a couple of years. In comes a couple of younger Korean guys who firstly speak quite rudely to the barmaid, who they seem to know, and then make a derogatory remark about my appearance. She tells them off saying I know Korean and understand what they're saying, to which the main culprit bows his head, looks apologetically towards me and remains sullen for the rest of the time he's there.

What I can't understand though is why does it make a difference that I understand for them to change their behavior?

Numerous times when I've been with Koreans who've found out I know some Korean, the first thing they say is 'oh, I better watch what I say around you then'. That always leaves me thinking why can't you just keep ill remarks to yourself regardless of whether the person knows Korean or not.

I'm not really looking for answers, this is just something that frustrates me and I needed to vent. Razz


People like being able to make snarky remarks without the hapless victim being aware. It happens. It's like when people throw out some comment about a Black person or Black people in general and then realize that I heard what they said. Whether or not I'm offended, they all get really apologetic real fast. Basically no one wants to make nasty comments that can be overheard and that happens everywhere.
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
Are you fat?


Not really, I'm 5'8" (173cm) & around 170lb. (75kg), heavy by Korean standards but not really that much overwieght, and nothing unusual at all for a Western person. The comment wasn't about my weight. I was wearing a long-sleeve shirt rolled up to my elbow revealing my hairy arms which seems to get the dude's attention.

I do notice a lot less comments in Seoul or at least people are more subtle about it there. Down here in Jeolla, many people are ignorant and proud, and wear their prejudice proudly on their sleeve.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchi Cha Cha wrote:
billybrobby wrote:
Are you fat?


Not really, I'm 5'8" (173cm) & around 170lb. (75kg), heavy by Korean standards but not really that much overwieght, and nothing unusual at all for a Western person. The comment wasn't about my weight. I was wearing a long-sleeve shirt rolled up to my elbow revealing my hairy arms which seems to get the dude's attention.

I do notice a lot less comments in Seoul or at least people are more subtle about it there. Down here in Jeolla, many people are ignorant and proud, and wear their prejudice proudly on their sleeve.


Yup. I live in Jeollabukdo. Ignorance and prejudice is definitely on display here. But I like where I live in spite of the morons who cross my path....
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I find the good people down here are really good, it's just there's a whole lot of ignorant fools in the way a lot of the time. I like it here but I think this will be my last year here, and if I come back to Korea it will be to somewhere slightly more urbane. Cool
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually don't care what they think about me. I know they don't know much or respect much out of their country and wouldn't be able to function or understand a lot outside of their country.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Ignorant comments and reactions to them Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
It's like when people throw out some comment about a Black person or Black people in general and then realize that I heard what they said.


You might not know this, but a lot of white people are afraid to even say anything referring to race at all if a non-white person is around. So many times I've been with someone who wants to tell me a story and pauses for a second before saying "black", just to make sure no black person is around. That's some lame action right there. Family Guy had a hilarious scene about it.


Kimchi Cha Cha, it sounds like the douche d'louche in the story got all the penalty he deserved. What a dork, eh.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Ignorant comments and reactions to them Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Alyallen wrote:
It's like when people throw out some comment about a Black person or Black people in general and then realize that I heard what they said.