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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Teaching our kids to be deceitful, fradualent, and unabashed |
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| Does it ever come to the point where you think, this is just outrageous, when it comes to collecting 'evidence' of English activities you and your students supposedly did? What's so amazing, however, is how well the students play along with it. Is it any wonder that the state of Korean business ethics are what they are, when they're taught in school that as long as you play along and take good photos, what, if anything, that you learned is meaningless? |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching our kids to be deceitful, fradualent, and unaba |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Does it ever come to the point where you think, this is just outrageous, when it comes to collecting 'evidence' of English activities you and your students supposedly did? What's so amazing, however, is how well the students play along with it. Is it any wonder that the state of Korean business ethics are what they are, when they're taught in school that as long as you play along and take good photos, what, if anything, that you learned is meaningless? |
Why not turn in ACTUAL evidence of what you and your students really did?
But a debate on this is kind of pointless without knowing the context of the situation... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching our kids to be deceitful, fradualent, and unaba |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Does it ever come to the point where you think, this is just outrageous, when it comes to collecting 'evidence' of English activities you and your students supposedly did? What's so amazing, however, is how well the students play along with it. Is it any wonder that the state of Korean business ethics are what they are, when they're taught in school that as long as you play along and take good photos, what, if anything, that you learned is meaningless? |
Why not turn in ACTUAL evidence of what you and your students really did?
But a debate on this is kind of pointless without knowing the context of the situation... |
I can think of many examples, but the most recent one involved herding up a group of students, taking them to the music room, setting up a huge banner, and spending ten minutes taking photos of us pretending to have an English camp that we apparently didn't have time actually to do, despite coming into school to do practically nothing all of last week. |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching our kids to be deceitful, fradualent, and unaba |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Does it ever come to the point where you think, this is just outrageous, when it comes to collecting 'evidence' of English activities you and your students supposedly did? What's so amazing, however, is how well the students play along with it. Is it any wonder that the state of Korean business ethics are what they are, when they're taught in school that as long as you play along and take good photos, what, if anything, that you learned is meaningless? |
Why not turn in ACTUAL evidence of what you and your students really did?
But a debate on this is kind of pointless without knowing the context of the situation... |
I can think of many examples, but the most recent one involved herding up a group of students, taking them to the music room, setting up a huge banner, and spending ten minutes taking photos of us pretending to have an English camp that we apparently didn't have time actually to do, despite coming into school to do practically nothing all of last week. |
That's a new one. LOL 
You could always ask for payment for the camp which you didn't do, but have photos of!
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I've found almost any reward system, Korean kids eventually figure it's easier to game the system then do the head down work.
A sticker board showing progress? They'll try and sneak their own stickers on the board or simply steal them from other kids.
Talent money or cards? If the kids aren't trying to steal them, they decide it's easier to spend the whole class begging for them instead of doing the work to get them. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Teaching our kids to be deceitful, fradualent, and unaba |
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| ilovebdt wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Does it ever come to the point where you think, this is just outrageous, when it comes to collecting 'evidence' of English activities you and your students supposedly did? What's so amazing, however, is how well the students play along with it. Is it any wonder that the state of Korean business ethics are what they are, when they're taught in school that as long as you play along and take good photos, what, if anything, that you learned is meaningless? |
Why not turn in ACTUAL evidence of what you and your students really did?
But a debate on this is kind of pointless without knowing the context of the situation... |
I can think of many examples, but the most recent one involved herding up a group of students, taking them to the music room, setting up a huge banner, and spending ten minutes taking photos of us pretending to have an English camp that we apparently didn't have time actually to do, despite coming into school to do practically nothing all of last week. |
That's a new one. LOL
You could always ask for payment for the camp which you didn't do, but have photos of!
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AHHAAA! That made me laugh out loud. Yeah that is a new one on me too...just when I thought I'd seen everything. |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| [u]"It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you are there."[/u] |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| I've found almost any reward system, Korean kids eventually figure it's easier to game the system then do the head down work. |
Congratulations....you figured out that kids try to game the system. 
Heck...thats an international fact if there ever was one.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| I've found almost any reward system, Korean kids eventually figure it's easier to game the system then do the head down work. |
Congratulations....you figured out that kids try to hame the system.
Heck...thats an international fact if there ever was one. |
I don't doubt children all over the world will try to game the system. But I've never taught Canadian children. I've only taught Korean children. So I can only talk about Korean children. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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No worries mindmetoo.
I was a High School teacher in Canada and know many other teachers in H Schools or Elementary schools there.
Kids do game the system. When faced with hard work or a short cut...they mostly go for the short cut. This is just the way kids are.
Korean kids are no different in that respect but they do it their own way.... |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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That's a new one. LOL
You could always ask for payment for the camp which you didn't do, but have photos of! |
Actually, since the photo op may be used to justify an expense sheet, you should ask for your cut |
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