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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| "when things aren't EXPLICITLY spelled out, it is the school's discretion to make decisions based upon the co-teacher's concerns". I told him, keeping me at school is a hinderance to worker morale and job satisfaction - asking him to allow me to leave after camp.... And he again refused. He's also refused to talk to the vice principal and the GPOE head about this. |
His contract says that the school makes the decision based on the co-teacher's concerns but the co-teacher never spoke about this issue to the vice -principal or anyone further up the totem pole, so I think the OP has the right to ask to speak to the Vice- Principal and present his case. The co-teacher is not a defacto vice principal and doesn't have the authority to make that decision without discussing it with his superiors. That is my view on the matter. |
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Fishead soup
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Location: Korea
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You can order coffee by phone. Some of the scooter girls are pretty hot
they'll do extra things if you tip. |
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boyne11
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You can order coffee by phone. Some of the scooter girls are pretty hot
they'll do extra things if you tip. |
How much?  |
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Thunndarr
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| Well, it depends on how much you like your current job, but if you are on the fence, tell them you'll quit. |
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garykasparov
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: My co-teacher = Huge Butthole |
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You have allready contacted GPOE and it sounds like there is nothing you can do. A camp for two weeks is not that big of a deal even if you have nothing to do. It sounds you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
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elynnor
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
From the OP:
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| "when things aren't EXPLICITLY spelled out, it is the school's discretion to make decisions based upon the co-teacher's concerns". I told him, keeping me at school is a hinderance to worker morale and job satisfaction - asking him to allow me to leave after camp.... And he again refused. He's also refused to talk to the vice principal and the GPOE head about this. |
His contract says that the school makes the decision based on the co-teacher's concerns but the co-teacher never spoke about this issue to the vice -principal or anyone further up the totem pole, so I think the OP has the right to ask to speak to the Vice- Principal and present his case. The co-teacher is not a defacto vice principal and doesn't have the authority to make that decision without discussing it with his superiors. That is my view on the matter. |
Well, what role the 'co-teacher' plays is always completely up in the air. I have one who's my de facto minder / supervisor / handler / liason, although the term 'co-teacher' is a bit misleading because we only co-teach one low-level class a week together (if he's not too busy, as is often the case) and teach our others seperately. During summer and winter break as long as I'm around to teach the classes I'm scheduled for he doesn't care where I am. If yours does there's obviously something more too it than that, especially if the parking lot's empty and almost everyone else has gone home.
If this teacher is acting as your boss I sure hope he's helpful and looking out for you in other ways. If not and he's just ordering you around for the sake of doing so I'd seriously consider moving to a school where you get a bit more respect. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
From the OP:
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| "when things aren't EXPLICITLY spelled out, it is the school's discretion to make decisions based upon the co-teacher's concerns". I told him, keeping me at school is a hinderance to worker morale and job satisfaction - asking him to allow me to leave after camp.... And he again refused. He's also refused to talk to the vice principal and the GPOE head about this. |
His contract says that the school makes the decision based on the co-teacher's concerns but the co-teacher never spoke about this issue to the vice -principal or anyone further up the totem pole, so I think the OP has the right to ask to speak to the Vice- Principal and present his case. The co-teacher is not a defacto vice principal and doesn't have the authority to make that decision without discussing it with his superiors. That is my view on the matter. |
Well, what role the 'co-teacher' plays is always completely up in the air. I have one who's my de facto minder / supervisor / handler / liason, although the term 'co-teacher' is a bit misleading because we only co-teach one low-level class a week together (if he's not too busy, as is often the case) and teach our others seperately. During summer and winter break as long as I'm around to teach the classes I'm scheduled for he doesn't care where I am. If yours does there's obviously something more too it than that, especially if the parking lot's empty and almost everyone else has gone home.
If this teacher is acting as your boss I sure hope he's helpful and looking out for you in other ways. If not and he's just ordering you around for the sake of doing so I'd seriously consider moving to a school where you get a bit more respect. |
In Korea there are a lot of things that go unsaid. In other words Koreans rely on nonverbal communication. You might have done something to tick him off and he never really explained it to you.
Another possibility is usually older men who don't really understand western culture usually have a tendency to do things by the book. They do this usually because they are worried about how the people in the P.O.E. will react to your absence.
Either way you need to improve your image with him. 98% of older Korean men love to drink. Unless he is a Christian and if thats so then he's a complete write off.
The next time you see him arrange to go out for some Sam Gyup Sal and Suju. During the meal excuse yourself and secretly pay the bill.
This will really impress him and make your time in korea much better. |
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aphong420
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: KOREAAAAAAH
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Ask him what you are supposed to do during that time. Maybe he isn't intending to make you waste the time -- perhaps there is a reason beyond a "power trip." Perhaps not. Ask him. |
I asked him, and the co-teacher had nothing more to say beyond: "Korean teachers use this time to prepare for class." I asked, "what classes? There are no students..." And he said, "for you, this would mean camp." I then said, "all my camp material is completed" and showed him all the PowerPoints and handouts I'd made up.
He uttered something under his breath and just walked away.
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| You have allready contacted GPOE and it sounds like there is nothing you can do. A camp for two weeks is not that big of a deal even if you have nothing to do. It sounds you're making a mountain out of a molehill. |
Perhaps. But someone wise once said, "you give 'em an inch .. and they'll take a mile". And I'm not going to let this co-teacher step all over me - he's not even taking my concerns into consideration and that's bullsh-t.
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If this teacher is acting as your boss I sure hope he's helpful and looking out for you in other ways. If not and he's just ordering you around for the sake of doing so I'd seriously consider moving to a school where you get a bit more respect. |
You're absolutely right. And he doesn't look out for me - he twists things to exercise his authority whenever possible.
If they fired me - they have to give me 30 days, is that correct?
If I decided to quit - I have to give them 60 days? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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The next time you see him arrange to go out for some Sam Gyup Sal and Suju. During the meal excuse yourself and secretly pay the bill.
This will really impress him and make your time in korea much better. |
Be careful with this one - it could be viewed as an act of subversion. Far better to bring him a bottle of something as a gift and see if the two of you can't get pissed together after work. |
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hubba bubba
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Edit, wrong thread...
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pkang0202
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Yeah, welcome to my world. Here's where I have it worse than you:
I have 4 week summer camp. Not just 2 weeks. On top of that, I can't leave early because the school is liable if something were to happen to me. Well, that was the excuse they gave me.
I know how you feel. All year I've done everything the school has asked and kept my mouth shut. I did them favors thinking that when I wanted a few favors my way, they would let me. Yeah, fat chance of that. I've applied to a few other jobs and as soon as I get a new job I'm going right to my principal's office and tell them that they can find a new teacher.
I'm gonna do 2 things this summer. I'm just gonna leave when I'm finished. OR, if I'm gonna stay, I'm gonna make them pay for it. That means cranking the AC, bringing in my TV, desktop, and stereo and leaving them on all summer. |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Fishead soup wrote: |
The next time you see him arrange to go out for some Sam Gyup Sal and Suju. During the meal excuse yourself and secretly pay the bill.
This will really impress him and make your time in korea much better. |
Be careful with this one - it could be viewed as an act of subversion. Far better to bring him a bottle of something as a gift and see if the two of you can't get pissed together after work. |
Don't do this crap to your co-teacher and bend over even further so he can cork screw your butt. Consider your co-teacher as your enemy and you're out there to screw him from now on. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Yeah, welcome to my world. Here's where I have it worse than you:
I have 4 week summer camp. Not just 2 weeks. On top of that, I can't leave early because the school is liable if something were to happen to me. Well, that was the excuse they gave me.
I know how you feel. All year I've done everything the school has asked and kept my mouth shut. I did them favors thinking that when I wanted a few favors my way, they would let me. Yeah, fat chance of that. I've applied to a few other jobs and as soon as I get a new job I'm going right to my principal's office and tell them that they can find a new teacher.
I'm gonna do 2 things this summer. I'm just gonna leave when I'm finished. OR, if I'm gonna stay, I'm gonna make them pay for it. That means cranking the AC, bringing in my TV, desktop, and stereo and leaving them on all summer. |
You guys are both younger gyopos, right? I wonder if there could possibly be any sort of resentment because the senior Korean teachers see that you guys have such brighter career options? Perhaps they want you to have to put up with more of the same hassels that they had to when they were young and abusable. Most of the white guys in my school district in their 30s to 50s have had all sorts of perks and benefits, with the exception of a select few who wouldn't be liked by anyone, anywhere.
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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The next time you see him arrange to go out for some Sam Gyup Sal and Suju. During the meal excuse yourself and secretly pay the bill.
This will really impress him and make your time in korea much better. |
Be careful with this one - it could be viewed as an act of subversion. Far better to bring him a bottle of something as a gift and see if the two of you can't get pissed together after work. |
I've always found the working relationships I've had in Korea that were slightly submerged in alcohol to be much better than those nervous sober working relations. " If you can't break the ice drown it" |
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