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So, I switched to Vista....and the verdict is..........
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julian_w



Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Location: Somewhere beyond Middle Peak Hotel, north of Middle Earth, and well away from the Middle of the Road

PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Yay! Reply with quote

That's it!

I've got my thumbnails back.

Thanks for that, SeoulFinn. You're bloody marvelous!
j.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update......

Well, the update can be summed up in one sentence......I'm thinking of going back to XP!!!!

I thought my PC had the balls to handle Vista. Afterall, it's Vista rating is 4.9. That's just 0.1 short of a perfect 5 which MS, at some time before the January release of Vista, said was the ideal machine for Vista (the perfect rating has increased from 5.0 to about 5.9 nowadays). I think they said any PC with a rating over 3.4 could handle the Aeroglass features and above that would be just gravy.

Well, that seems to be not true in my case. Vista runs slower than XP in most applications. Open a simple .avi file and the HDD goes nuts for a few seconds then opens it.

I still can't get my beloved VLC media player to play .avi.......although it plays DVD's very well whereas WMP11 has a lot of artifacts in DVD playback....... Confused

Older games don't play very well. It's weird. FEAR plays perfectly but an old version of Need For Speed, from maybe 5 years ago, crashes.

2 GB of RAM does not seem to be enough. With XP I could easily run Utorrent, IE6, and burn a DVD all at the same time. No lag whatsoever. With Vista I have to turn off everything to burn a DVD as the RAM goes dangerously near max. If I don't turn off everything Nero's memory buffer starts dipping in and out of zero. Also, the longer Vista is on without a restart the more RAM it uses. It can use 900mb just running IE7 and uTorrent. XP could do that and use only 500mb.

My screen goes black for a few seconds every couple of hours and then comes back with a warning that "NVLDDMKM display driver stopped working and has recovered". Others on the net report the problem but don't seem to have a fix for it. I often see little colored dots appearing on-screen which come and go as I change applications.

There are several other little annoyances too tedious to repeat here.

Perhaps all these things are my fault and I should just work at understanding Vista more fully and overcoming them. Actually, most of what I want to do on Vista works very well. The GUI is better than XP.

OTOH, perhaps MS didn't get enough software and hardware developers up to speed with Vista before they released it.

Final thoughts..........If you like to push your PC hard, and still get fast performance, then build a killer rig before you switch to Vista. I would say that a recent processor (late2006/2007 release) and 4GB of RAM is required.


I guess it would be helpful to give my specs here..
Intel 3.0 D
7900gt
2GB Samsung DDR2 5300 RAM
P5LD2 deluxe mobo
Seagate 250GB 7200 HDD in SATA
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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your processor is the obvious weakness. Vista seems to use a lot of RAM but this is actually pre-emptive caching. It will load files in memory that it thinks you will need next depending on what you are doing. This can make it seem like Vista is using up loads of memory. Is that a Socket 775, if so get a Core2Duo, the cheaper ones are very cheap.

My rating on Vista is 5.3 and my processor (E6600) is the weakest part. It runs very smoothly for me and has only crashed to shutdown once. I had a lot of problems with task manager and Dreamscene but once I turned off Dreamscene it was fine. If you give your rating in all areas, it will be easier to help. 2 GB should be fine IMO, I have 4 GB but that's overkill. DDR2 Samsung is dirt cheap in Yongsan right now though.

Did you pay for your copy of Vista, if so, big waste of money!
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corroonb wrote:
Your processor is the obvious weakness. Vista seems to use a lot of RAM but this is actually pre-emptive caching. It will load files in memory that it thinks you will need next depending on what you are doing. This can make it seem like Vista is using up loads of memory. Is that a Socket 775, if so get a Core2Duo, the cheaper ones are very cheap.

My rating on Vista is 5.3 and my processor (E6600) is the weakest part. It runs very smoothly for me and has only crashed to shutdown once. I had a lot of problems with task manager and Dreamscene but once I turned off Dreamscene it was fine. If you give your rating in all areas, it will be easier to help. 2 GB should be fine IMO, I have 4 GB but that's overkill. DDR2 Samsung is dirt cheap in Yongsan right now though.

Did you pay for your copy of Vista, if so, big waste of money!


Haven't paid for software in my life!!

Correction; I paid 10,000won for Quake 4 in Homeplus. I think that's the only software I've ever paid for.

I take your point about the 3.0D processor being the weak link. My mobo does not support Core2duo. However, according to MS, the 3.0D is plenty enough to run Vista.

How do you identify the Vista rating in all areas? I ran the program a couple of times but only got a collective result.
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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It gives me a rating for each area. I think if you go to Control Panel> System there should be an option there to perform performance rating. Have you got Ultimate? Are you using the Paradox crack? I'll check exactly how its done later as I'm in school now.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:

Intel 3.0 D
7900gt
2GB Samsung DDR2 5300 RAM
P5LD2 deluxe mobo
Seagate 250GB 7200 HDD in SATA


I dodn't realize you had a single-core CPU. Yeah, I would never think to run vista on anything less than a dual core. I mean, I hear you that your comp meets the specs, but hey, it's a hard sell if they told the truth about what it needs.

MS remind me of Id software lately. Pushing the hardware envelope and all, but at least Id have the guts to say flat out what kind of system you are going to need.

I will stay with XP until DX10 and games worth playing come out. By then I will have a quad core Penryn under the hood and Vista will just be a grudge.
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SeoulFinn



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our old desktop (Shuttle XPC 83g5m) has a mere Pentium 630 (3.0 GHz) crunching numbers in it and I haven't noticed _serious_ problems with Vista. Older games run reasonable well and I haven't had any problems with movies or music either.

This CPU's score is "only" 4.3, but it's not the slowest component in the old lady. That questionable honor goes to nVidia GaForce 6600 vanilla, yes, va-nil-la. It is a tad underpowered for the latest games at 1920*1200 resolution. Razz But then again, Shuttle is for work and surfing, not hc gaming.
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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My scores are:

Processor: 5.3
Ram: 5.6
Graphics: 5.9
Gaming Graphics: 5.9
Primary Hard-disk: 5.6

Overall 5.3

Go to Control Panel>Performance Information and Tools
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
eamo wrote:

Intel 3.0 D
7900gt
2GB Samsung DDR2 5300 RAM
P5LD2 deluxe mobo
Seagate 250GB 7200 HDD in SATA


I dodn't realize you had a single-core CPU. Yeah, I would never think to run vista on anything less than a dual core. I mean, I hear you that your comp meets the specs, but hey, it's a hard sell if they told the truth about what it needs.

MS remind me of Id software lately. Pushing the hardware envelope and all, but at least Id have the guts to say flat out what kind of system you are going to need.

I will stay with XP until DX10 and games worth playing come out. By then I will have a quad core Penryn under the hood and Vista will just be a grudge.


Demo.....the 930 D is a dual core.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:


Demo.....the 930 D is a dual core.


So they say. Too bad it doesn't act like it. Wink
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's only fair to do another update here to say that my Vista Ultimate seems to have settled down considerably (I don't know if I did anything helpful.....it seems to have healed itself!!).

There are few problems of any significance. I'm sure I could iron out the last few bugs if I tried hard enough.

The good news for Vista and DX10 card owners is that DX10 games are coming out right now. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition is out now and a couple more are planned for this Summer.
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KOREAN_MAN



Joined: 01 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running Vista on the following specs:

Sempron 2800+ @2.3GHz
1GB DDR RAM
80GB Hard Disk
ATi Radeon HD 2600 Pro 256MB
19.1-inch 1280x1024 LCD

It is a little heavy, but not too bad. IE and FireFox seem to run much faster on Vista than XP. I don't play a lot of games so that's not an issue. However, I'd like to watch HD-quality videos and HDTV on my computer. But the CPU is a little slow even though I overclocked it. Sad

Otherwise, Vista is better than I expected. I'm sticking with it.
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corroonb



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why such a fast card in an otherwise poor system (no offense)?

Are you able to watch HD movies well with the hardware decoding on that card?
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KOREAN_MAN



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corroonb wrote:
Why such a fast card in an otherwise poor system (no offense)?

Are you able to watch HD movies well with the hardware decoding on that card?

None taken. Actually, I'm looking for an excuse to upgrade my system. So tell me; I should upgrade my system, right? Right? Crying or Very sad

I have an HDTV tuner card and it doesn't seem to like nVidia graphic cards. (Jitter problems.) So I recently bought an ATi card and it works like a charm. 2600 Pro is a new card, but it's definitely not fast. To watch HD movies with hardware acceleration, I need a codec I think. So I downloaded CoreAVC codec, but I can't get my media player (KMP) to use it. Any help would be appreciated.
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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just install the codec and it should work. I would use Media Player Classic to play x.264 mkv.

Your system needs an upgrade. New processor, DDR2-RAM and more storage. I have 500GB and 750GB for out 500,000 won in Yongsan. The card is not fast but it is DirectX 10.
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