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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| It's man slaughter due to negligence and idiocy. |
Actually they were convicted of both murder and manslaughter which has me confused from a legal standpoint. And what's the difference between malice murder and felony murder? |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Stupided asses. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.
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VEgan or not, you have to be A RETARD to substitute BREAST MILK (one of the healthiest foods on the planet) for effing soy milk and apple juice.
I'd like to reiterate an important point:
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| �No matter how many times they want to say, �We�re vegans, we�re vegetarians,� that�s not the issue in this case,� said prosecutor Chuck Boring. �The child died because he was not fed. Period.� |
I have several vegan friends who, like normal humanoids breastfed their baby for the appropriate time frame (with the exception of one couple who chose to use formula b/c of extreme discomfort). Their children (now 3-6 years old) are all perfectly healthy, balanced normal people.
Again, the problem isn't that htey're vegan, the problem is that their idiots! |
Good point. The way the media emphasized the couple's supposed vegan beliefs was completely irresponsible ... the child in this case died because he didn't get enough calories, and veganism had nothing to do with it.
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| Prosecutors claimed the baby suffered a prolonged and painful death, not because of what he was fed, but because he was fed too little and that his nutritional needs were deliberately ignored by his parents. They prosecutors said the couple intentionally neglected their child and refused to take him to the doctor even as the baby's body wasted away. |
http://www.animalconcerns.org/external.html?www=http%3A//www.nbc4.com/news/13286030/detail.html&itemid=200705091417470.360175 |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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The key words of the story are..."..and that his nutritional needs were deliberately ignored by his parents."
The parents killed their baby because they insisted on feeding VEGAN food to a NEW BORN. They had adequate time to see the negative results. They did not consider changing the diet or accepting medical assistance, because they would not consider any kind of food that was not VEGAN.
They are veganidiots.
http://www.mercola.com/2005/jan/12/soy_formula.htm
Soy Formula May Stunt the Intestinal Growth in Your Baby
Two Soy Studies Show Same Results -- Slowing of Cell Reproduction
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/13/soy_formula.htm
How Safe is Soy Infant Formula?
By David Goodman
New research suggests high concentrations of manganese found in soybean-based baby formula can lead to brain damage in infants and altered behaviors in adolescents.
Dr. Francis Crinella, clinical professor of pediatrics at UC-Irvine, and Trinh Tran, a graduate researcher at the UC-Davis Department of Animal Studies, have described how the soybean plant lifts up manganese in the soil and concentrates it so that its use in soy-based infant formula can result in as many as 200 times the level found in natural breast milk.
These and other experts believe that such high concentrations could pose a threat to the immature metabolic systems of babies up to 6 months of age. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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The mods really ought to do something about the complete disregard for factual accuracy around here. A child that age should be nursing exclusively, and that's how most vegan parents would have handled the situation. We don't know why these parents didn't. We don't know why they fed apple juice and soymilk to a newborn, when no vegan doctor or dietitian advocates any such thing. The child died either because the mother chose not to breastfeed for some reason, or because she tried to breastfeed, ran into problems, and didn't take appropriate steps to solve them.
Cosmo, the facts don't support a goddamn thing you've said. The parents didn't use soy formula, or any other kind of formula. Your studies on the subject are completely irrelevant to this case. |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
The mods really ought to do something about the complete disregard for factual accuracy around here.
Cosmo, the facts don't support a goddamn thing you've said.
The parents didn't use soy formula, or any other kind of formula.
Your studies on the subject are completely irrelevant to this case. |
1. My friend, if you believe I am in violation of anything, feel free to report it to the management.
2. I personally don't care what sort of language you use, but if I were a moderator I would censor language such as yours.
3. I did not indicate that the parents used formula.
4. As a parent the related information regarding feeding soy to newborns is relevant to me.
I believe it is relevant to others.
In the event the information is not relevant to you or anybody else, that's fine. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Vegans and Roman Catholic priests have no business reporducing i nthe first place. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Missed this thread the first time around. If you don't like people bumping 2-month-old discussions, just hit the little red 'x' at the top right corner of your screen ... Just wondering, isn't the defn of veganism, that of deriving no nourishment fro ANY animal body part or by-product? Isn't human breastmilk an animal by-product, i.e., coming from the animal named homo sapiens? There are people here who know more about it than I do, and yes, it IS a sincere question :
If someone were a truly hardcore vegan - and I've met people who go further, call themselves fuititarians, will only eat vegetable matter from plants that were not killed in the harvesting of the food, apples, peaches and such - anyway, if someone were TRULY hardcore about this, might they also consider a mother's breastmilk to be just as unethical as milk from some other source?
Honest question. Not trying to stir things up. Really.
By the way, had a vegan friend who tried to make her cat vegan. I told her it was cruel, cats are made that way, while humans are omnivourous and if we're smart we can learn how to get our nutrition in a lot of ways ... well, the cat won, they're stubborn and don't eat what they don't like and they start to make noise. Then go they out and kill something. I think the turning point was when the feline caught a mouse, killed it and brought it in the house, didn't even eat it : "See, boss? I'll do MY job, why don't you ...?"
Of course, the vegan friend was horrified at the carnage. Opened a can of tuna and cracked a raw egg over it. Purr.
The present story really IS truly neglect. Babies also make noise when they are not happy. These people deserve not just jail but possibly even some medical procedure to make sure they never have a chance to be so stupid again. Just like my friend's cat, this baby was sure to have been making noise, and when they do that it stands to reason they need something and they aren't getting it. Find out what the baby needs and give it.
Ever notice? You need a licence to drive a car, even to own a bike a lot of places, but ANY freaking idiot is allowed the privelege of creating a brand spanking new human life. Never DID figure THAT one out ... |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
Missed this thread the first time around. If you don't like people bumping 2-month-old discussions, just hit the little red 'x' at the top right corner of your screen ... Just wondering, isn't the defn of veganism, that of deriving no nourishment fro ANY animal body part or by-product? Isn't human breastmilk an animal by-product, i.e., coming from the animal named homo sapiens? There are people here who know more about it than I do, and yes, it IS a sincere question :
If someone were a truly hardcore vegan - and I've met people who go further, call themselves fuititarians, will only eat vegetable matter from plants that were not killed in the harvesting of the food, apples, peaches and such - anyway, if someone were TRULY hardcore about this, might they also consider a mother's breastmilk to be just as unethical as milk from some other source? |
Do some research, moron. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
Missed this thread the first time around. If you don't like people bumping 2-month-old discussions, just hit the little red 'x' at the top right corner of your screen ... Just wondering, isn't the defn of veganism, that of deriving no nourishment fro ANY animal body part or by-product? Isn't human breastmilk an animal by-product, i.e., coming from the animal named homo sapiens? There are people here who know more about it than I do, and yes, it IS a sincere question :
If someone were a truly hardcore vegan - and I've met people who go further, call themselves fuititarians, will only eat vegetable matter from plants that were not killed in the harvesting of the food, apples, peaches and such - anyway, if someone were TRULY hardcore about this, might they also consider a mother's breastmilk to be just as unethical as milk from some other source? |
Do some research, moron. |
Find some manners, asshat. That was completely unprovoked. I said nothing insulting to anyone in that post. I asked an honest question, and told a story from my life. Did you even bother to read the first sentence, about hitting the red 'x' in the top right corner of the screen?
Life. Go out and get one. See, I can do it, too. Except you are provoking me to insult, and you know it and everyone can see it. Give it up. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
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Missed this thread the first time around. If you don't like people bumping 2-month-old discussions, just hit the little red 'x' at the top right corner of your screen ... Just wondering, isn't the defn of veganism, that of deriving no nourishment fro ANY animal body part or by-product? Isn't human breastmilk an animal by-product, i.e., coming from the animal named homo sapiens? There are people here who know more about it than I do, and yes, it IS a sincere question :
If someone were a truly hardcore vegan - and I've met people who go further, call themselves fuititarians, will only eat vegetable matter from plants that were not killed in the harvesting of the food, apples, peaches and such - anyway, if someone were TRULY hardcore about this, might they also consider a mother's breastmilk to be just as unethical as milk from some other source? |
Do some research, moron. |
Find some manners, asshat. That was completely unprovoked. I said nothing insulting to anyone in that post. I asked an honest question, and told a story from my life. Did you even bother to read the first sentence, about hitting the red 'x' in the top right corner of the screen?
Life. Go out and get one. See, I can do it, too. Except you are provoking me to insult, and you know it and everyone can see it. Give it up. |
You're the one who's an as*hole and here only to provoke. Do some research about vegans and what vegans believe. Don't ask stupid questions on a message board when you're perfectly capable of educating yourself. Look up "Vegan Society." Look up "Gary Francione and Veganism." Or "Joanne Stepaniak." How about "Vegan doctors"? How about following the links I've provided? Google is your friend. Use it. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| You're the one who's an as*hole and here only to provoke. |
Use the red 'x', as I suggested, when you read things that make you angry. Easy to remember : "red 'x'" sounds a lot like "red dog," see? And do not ask the mods to censor opinions and ideas you don't want to hear when you feel the complete freedom to call other humans "irrelevant," "moron" and "asshole." Because that, you see, is hypocrisy, and I will point to it and say what it is. Until the mods start taking your strange advice, I still have have the right to point my finger and say, "That is a lie," and "That is hypocritical."
If you don't have an answer to my question about why human breast milk is not an animal by-product like butter or cheese, then calm down and maybe someone else will explain it to me.
Calling you a hypocrite and a liar is fair if I show exactly how and where you lied and were hypocritical. I have not insulted you, nor anyone you love - okay, I called you asshat, but when you think about it, it's kind of cute compared to what you've been doing.
I'd like it a lot better if you would stop this harassment. I'm asking you to be polite or respect some distance or else observe something close to decorum with regards to the two of us. My question was sincere, not provocation. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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If you don't have an answer to my question about why human breast milk is not an animal by-product like butter or cheese, then calm down and maybe someone else will explain it to me. |
It's quite clear, Bobster, that most people become vegan either to
a)improve their health
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b) they do not wish to harm animals.
In the case of a) breastmilk is clearly the best food for a baby's health, so any health conscious vegan parent will prefer this method of feeding.
In the case of b) breastfeeding does not harm animals. For example, I, Big_Bird, am myself an animal, and I am currently, as I type this in fact, breastfeeding my son. It has not harmed me in anyway, and thus it meets the requirements of rationale b). |
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