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jessie-b



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: business men and prostitutes Reply with quote

I was dating this guy for a couple of months when I asked some questions that he answered quite truthfully. I'm glad he was so honest but now feel wary of dating any more Korean men. If a man is lucky enough to find a job out of college there's this whole salon/prostitute culture that they usually participate in. He said that most guys visit prostitutes with work colleagues and though I've read this over and over again on this site....I guess I didn't believe it until I met a "nice" guy who did the same. How do all the gals here deal with dating Korean guys, knowing that's a regular part of growing up here? Or am I wrong? Maybe not EVERYONE does it. Maybe its just this guy and his soju-swilling buddies. When are Korean women going to crack into the business world and change things?
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite popular, but I wouldn't say everyone does it.

Although most of my Korean guy friends cheat on their girlfriends religiously, they rarely hit the brothels--and if they do it's usually just a rub and tug.

Thing that scares me though is the amount of barebacking that goes on. That's the riskiest part of dating a Korean guy who likes the pros, I suppose. Hey that rhymes! Shocked
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try not to think about it, but it does gross me out. Not all of them, but so many K-guys cheat on their wives/girlfriends. I guess with the married ones that's what happens when you marry for reasons other than love. But, then again, it's so easy for the guys to play here. And remember, Korea is a man's world for sure. I guess if you can't stand it, date western guys. But, some of them cheat, too. Even if I had a K-boyfriend who only went for a rub and tug, that's still constitutes cheating in my book. Visiting hookers doesn't make people bat an eyelash here. And some Korean women don't care as long as they have the money rolling in to keep shopping in Apgu/Gangnam/Cheongdam/Shinsa. It's not just men with money who cheat either. A service worker makes enough money to visit hookers and rub and tug ladies.

Also, even if a man marries a woman he actually loves, sometimes his buddies/coworkers will say things like he is not a "real" man if he doesn't go out to play with them at these places, so he may cave in to the group mentality and do it anyways.
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine was sent to jail then deported for dating a married woman.

Adultery is a criminal offense here. Funny huh?
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not just men with money who cheat either. A service worker makes enough money to visit hookers and rub and tug ladies.


I'm still trying to figure out what this means. Just when I think I've got it, it eludes me again.

To the OP, I think one reason why it is so accepted here by the women is that, there are so many prostitutes out there. Every district of town has rows and rows of room salons, and the amount of girls working at each one of them would surprise you. As well, Noraebangs where the owner will easily call girls for delivery. Not to mention the red light districts, massage places, DaBangs, and so on. Ever flown down to Cheju? If you see a single girl on the plane there's a good chance she's flying down there to work. The whole island's a illicit resort. That or she's going down with her "uncle" for the weekend on a "business trip."

It's such a big part of the culture, very far removed from the skanky street walker image from the west. I wouldn't be surprised if every Korean woman either has been in the business at one time, or has known of someone close to them who has.
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jessie-b



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the peer pressure is incredible here. This guy said stuff like, "I'm a real Korean guy." I thought he was just being funny but it comes from having to act manly with one's buddies all the time. It makes me sad that a lot of Korean men don't have women friends. It makes it difficult to be close...and easier for them to justify paying women for sexual favors I guess.
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, probably a lot more Western guys than you think have gone with prostitutes - especially if they've been in the armed forces. Myself, I don't think it's a big deal provided:

a) they wore a raincoat
b) didn't do it while they were married/going out with a steady girlfriend
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
I try not to think about it, but it does gross me out. Not all of them, but so many K-guys cheat on their wives/girlfriends. I guess with the married ones that's what happens when you marry for reasons other than love. But, then again, it's so easy for the guys to play here. And remember, Korea is a man's world for sure. I guess if you can't stand it, date western guys. But, some of them cheat, too. Even if I had a K-boyfriend who only went for a rub and tug, that's still constitutes cheating in my book. Visiting hookers doesn't make people bat an eyelash here. And some Korean women don't care as long as they have the money rolling in to keep shopping in Apgu/Gangnam/Cheongdam/Shinsa. It's not just men with money who cheat either. A service worker makes enough money to visit hookers and rub and tug ladies.

Also, even if a man marries a woman he actually loves, sometimes his buddies/coworkers will say things like he is not a "real" man if he doesn't go out to play with them at these places, so he may cave in to the group mentality and do it anyways.


Thats a fairly good summary Princess. Actually I find the whole level of cheating/prostitution here really depressing. Who can you trust?

Tokki1
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A friend of mine was sent to jail then deported for dating a married woman.


Did they have proof of infidelity? Apparently thats the law.

Tokki1
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Thing that scares me though is the amount of barebacking that goes on. That's the riskiest part of dating a Korean guy who likes the pros, I suppose.


It'll only stop when AIDS hits.
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jessie-b



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying Western guys don't see prostitutes. Its just more widely accepted here and from what I hear, men do it regulary, in groups of friends as well as with business associates. It is part of a business deal in many cases. There are less public repurcussions (sp?) for engaging in it and eventually there will be...STDs are on the rise in Korea, of course, and there's the whole moral dillema: why THESE are the jobs that women have to work to support themselves here and what percentage of these women are actually slaves, working to pay off some sort of debt? This sort of practice will continue until women break into the business world here.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b wrote:
Yeah, the peer pressure is incredible here. This guy said stuff like, "I'm a real Korean guy." I thought he was just being funny but it comes from having to act manly with one's buddies all the time. It makes me sad that a lot of Korean men don't have women friends. It makes it difficult to be close...and easier for them to justify paying women for sexual favors I guess.
I know a Korean guy who has many women friends. He even formed his own drinking club with all these girls and about 2 or 3 guys. One of them gave him a chain to wear around his neck with the initials PAF, which stands for his name and alcohol family.
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jessie-b



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Princess. That's good to know. I live in a smaller city right now so my info is limited.
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arjuna



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b wrote:
This sort of practice will continue until women break into the business world here.


"Break into the business world..." And cheat, lie, and steal. To fill and manufacture imaginary needs generated by the need to sell to make more money, for more stupid things and prestige--only to feel lonely and empty, and thus to seek some kind of connection with a human being, any human being who would give you a moment--which is only possible when you can give what is necessary in this world--money.

Are you really so different from "them"?
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b wrote:
Thanks Princess. That's good to know. I live in a smaller city right now so my info is limited.
You're welcome, Jessie-B. You know what they say about a guy with many queens in the castle. Wome friends, drinking club, drinking, and then what? If you get my drift.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b wrote:
This sort of practice will continue until women break into the business world here.


Unfortunately K-men have long had the situation sewn up in this country. Subjugation of women into subordinate and less advantaged roles is unfortunately a reality they have even fooled the women into accepting as correct.
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jessie-b



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arjuna, YES, Korea is a capatalist society now. Perhaps all that will come crumbling down, but in the meantime...lets support the women who want a high profile job...if they want to get into business, there should be avenues for them to do so. I'll play the enduring optimist and say that women could EVEN CHANGE the business world for the better.
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